Re: AI endeavours
Posted: May 11th, 2018, 8:40 pm
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odysseus2000 wrote:Interesting to see Boston Dynamics have developed their AI robots. The rate of improvement from machines that needed to be quadrupeds to stand to the first stumbling bipeds has now reached the ability for bipeds to dance:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/134 ... 80930?s=20
Given this rate of improvement it seems likely that robots will soon be able to outperform all Olympic athletes and all soldiers.
Hyundai took a big stake in Boston dynamics, so perhaps they will rival Tesla for robotic driving.
Regards,
"Given this rate of improvement it seems likely that robots will soon be able to outperform all Olympic athletes and all soldiers."
So I'm not sure that outperforming athletes or soldiers in terms of physical capability is all that much of a milestone when (other) technology can already do that by a huge margin.
odysseus2000 wrote:So I'm not sure that outperforming athletes or soldiers in terms of physical capability is all that much of a milestone when (other) technology can already do that by a huge margin.
Yes, but after every battle one needs infantry to go in and 'mop-up' small pockets of resistance and then one needs infantry to enforce and maintain your domination.
Having a biped soldier, able to go anywhere that a human can go, but being more resistant to small arms, able to enter standby mode to dominate an area 24-7, able to see in the dark, have images from all surrounding areas via drones and/or satellites, able to self destruct if this gives increased probability to kill enemy and before long dressed as humans is imho a step change in military capability.
Imagine if you fighting against such humanoid robots, how would you do it? They can go everywhere you can go, they speak your language, they are many times stronger, they can 'see' all around, can call in artillery or drone strikes as needed, etc and are neither troubled by emotions, needing the bathroom, food or sleep.
Regards,
"Imagine if you fighting against such humanoid robots, how would you do it? "
odysseus2000 wrote:AI systems can be created in days.
murraypaul wrote:odysseus2000 wrote:AI systems can be created in days.
Standing up another instance of an existing AI system can be done quickly.
Creating AI systems takes years.
Otherwise, why don't we have our level 5 autonomous driving cars yet?
odysseus2000 wrote:Yes, creating the first narrow AI for some job takes time, but having got it working one can duplicate very quickly. Driving is one of the most difficult challenges as the AI has to be fast and the consequence of a mistake is very bad.
E.g. I can currently see no technical reason why AI systems can not replace GP's. There will be a number of union objections but as far as I can tell it is only a matter of time (a few years) before the GP as we know it is gone and is replaced by something far cheaper and better.
murraypaul wrote:odysseus2000 wrote:Yes, creating the first narrow AI for some job takes time, but having got it working one can duplicate very quickly. Driving is one of the most difficult challenges as the AI has to be fast and the consequence of a mistake is very bad.
I would suggest to you that the consequences of a mistake for a medical AI could also be very bad?E.g. I can currently see no technical reason why AI systems can not replace GP's. There will be a number of union objections but as far as I can tell it is only a matter of time (a few years) before the GP as we know it is gone and is replaced by something far cheaper and better.
And what technical qualifications do you have to make that prediction?
Automated assistance for simple problems, yes. Replacing all human intervention for all areas covered by GPs? In the next few years? No.
odysseus2000 wrote:murraypaul wrote:odysseus2000 wrote:AI systems can be created in days.
Standing up another instance of an existing AI system can be done quickly.
Creating AI systems takes years.
Otherwise, why don't we have our level 5 autonomous driving cars yet?
Yes, creating the first narrow AI for some job takes time, but having got it working one can duplicate very quickly. Driving is one of the most difficult challenges as the AI has to be fast and the consequence of a mistake is very bad.
Most other AI does not have the very fast speed constraint and can naturally explore possibilities and then come to a conclusion. E.g. I can currently see no technical reason why AI systems can not replace GP's. There will be a number of union objections but as far as I can tell it is only a matter of time (a few years) before the GP as we know it is gone and is replaced by something far cheaper and better. This applies to very many jobs.
Regards,
AI does have its place for some ailments, but some issues, especially mental health issues where logic flies out the window, absolutely need human interaction.
And mental health issues represent an ever-growing proportion of GP's time
doolally
odysseus2000 wrote:With an AI the patient can get through in seconds, speak to the same AI which has all the patients details and before long will know more about them than their mother. The AI can do both the job of the GP and the psychologist which a human GP may refer the patient to.
In essence AI creates a knowledgeable Samartian, programmed with all known human psychology and able to interact with the patient for as long as the patient wants, simultaneously dealing with 1000's of other patients at the same time and while maintaining a memory of all the patient has told the AI in previous sessions and a knowledge of the patients physiological state as well.