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Anyone feeling bearish?

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Re: Anyone feeling bearish?

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Postby scrumpyjack » January 10th, 2018, 9:41 am

and the Bloomberg eye candy is simpering with about 3 inches of make up on and a hair do that looks like it would withstand a hurricane, not to mention the intensingly irritating whining voice. Don't think financial acumen was high up on the presenter selection criteria!

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Re: Anyone feeling bearish?

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Postby TUK020 » January 10th, 2018, 1:02 pm

Snorvey wrote:[i]"

Finally, FINALLY they drag the Bloomberg eye candy on just before we all put a gun to our heads and end it all.


Yup.
Should we do a link from this post to Bitter Lemons?

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Re: Anyone feeling bearish?

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Postby toofast2live » January 10th, 2018, 2:43 pm

I remember in the 2008 crash being comforted by the cherry lipped, bouffanted hair Bloomberg eye candy. I’m certain that one even had cheekbones the shape of the market decline - sharp and southerly!

Strange they don’t apply the same criteria to male presenters or guests!

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Re: Anyone feeling bearish?

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Postby ap8889 » January 10th, 2018, 6:17 pm

Through the last few years we have had low energy input prices in the world economy. Gail Tverberg has posted a pretty bearish view of the next few years based on the oil situation balancing out, lowering affordability of goods and services.

https://ourfiniteworld.com/2018/01/09/w ... g-in-2018/

Not saying she is right, especially about the timing, but she has some good points.

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Re: Anyone feeling bearish?

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Postby 1nv35t » January 11th, 2018, 9:32 am

ap8889 wrote:Through the last few years we have had low energy input prices in the world economy. Gail Tverberg has posted a pretty bearish view of the next few years based on the oil situation balancing out, lowering affordability of goods and services.

https://ourfiniteworld.com/2018/01/09/w ... g-in-2018/

Not saying she is right, especially about the timing, but she has some good points.

Thanks for posting that link.

Public sector pay (6 digit salaries to councilors, health care managers, gold plated pensions etc), and benefits along with current levels of bureaucracy are seeing the end of capitalism in Europe. The faltering UK is the next largest capitalist centre after the US. As the EU makes it even more difficult to "invest" outside of the EEA and even China are considering buying no more US treasuries ... one can only wonder where that might all lead. With trillions more Euros having been printed to buy up even junk bonds, a more concerted push on that front along with prohibitions (barriers to privately owning assets) could have newly printed money buying up all assets (great nationalisation).

As Puntin has said, the EU is like the former USSR ... but worse. With the Tories having ignored the Brexit referendum and only on track to remain bound by the EU under new renegotiated and even worse terms, more or less guaranteeing comrad Corbyn national majority support ... interesting times are on the horizon. Such as use it or lose it policies, expel a granny out of privately owned home that is too big for her to instead have maybe 2 or 3 families occupying the state owned property can easily be achieved by ramping council tax levels up to beyond affordable levels. Re-nationalise rail, utilities etc. and we can return to the 1968 years once again, when Roy Jenkins opted to impose a 130% upper tax rate (earn a Pound and see a £1.30 tax liability tagged to that does wonders for capital flight and idleness).

Policies of student debts promised to be wiped out, homes literally 10 a penny (as former rateable values of £1 million and yearly 5% property tax levels are fixed/imposed), together with capital controls (limited to taking out barely even enough spending money out of the country to cover even a modest foreign trip holiday) ...etc. Those currently near or recently having entered retirement will look back in amazement at how once they felt so rich, to only have seen their lifetime savings lost over such a short period of time leaving them in the most darkest of late life care/lifestyle and a younger generation that simply could not care less (and even welcome such pain being endured by their elders).

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Re: Anyone feeling bearish?

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Postby TUK020 » January 11th, 2018, 9:48 am

[quote="1nv35t] "Those currently near or recently having entered retirement will look back in amazement at how once they felt so rich, to only have seen their lifetime savings lost over such a short period of time leaving them in the most darkest of late life care/lifestyle and a younger generation that simply could not care less (and even welcome such pain being endured by their elders).[/quote]

Where do you reckon is good to emigrate to, with reasonable healthcare costs for your twilight years?
tuk020

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Re: Anyone feeling bearish?

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Postby DiamondEcho » January 11th, 2018, 11:48 am

TUK020 wrote:Where do you reckon is good to emigrate to

As an alternative, are there still any channels open for staying in the UK and legally 'emigrating' your income-yielding assets to a sunnier tax jurisdiction?

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Re: Anyone feeling bearish?

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Postby Snorvey » January 11th, 2018, 1:03 pm

Where do you reckon is good to emigrate to

I recall the much missed Berteee talking about Thailand.

The Thailand elite residence program offers applicants the right to live in the country for up to 20 years along with access to privileged services and VIP benefits. To receive the Thailand elite residence visa, foreigners must join Thailand elite, an exclusive program offered by Thailand privileged card company limited. (TPC)

Regarding the top package, it goes on to say:

Elite Ultimate Privilige

Elite Ultimate Privilege is a twenty year residence visa for a once off fee of approximately $60,000 plus an annual fee of approximately $600. This program includes exclusive VIP express airport services and lounge access, unlimited short haul airport transfers for international flights, government concierge services, and hospitality services for golf, spa treatments and an annual health check.


Several other packages are available as are several other Investment Visa schemes thoughout the world.

http://www.goldenvisas.com/thailand/

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Re: Anyone feeling bearish?

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Postby 1nv35t » January 11th, 2018, 1:09 pm

TUK020 wrote:Where do you reckon is good to emigrate to, with reasonable healthcare costs for your twilight years?

Sovereign state of UK (not the EU member state UK). With no rebadging/affiliation i.e. Brexit under WTO terms. Where wealth and benefits from the coming robotics revolution can be more reasonably shared around and services such as care are for those that contributed into the system, not a right for anyone to just walk in and equally benefit from. Leveling down to a EU wide lowest common denominator (remaining affiliated) is the absence of any aspirations. Separated and things can be so much better.

In practice the EU is a poor market for the UK. We export more services to the rest of the world anyway (so being a internal member of the EU clearly had limited benefit on that front), we're not in the Euro and as such likely to be more disadvantaged relative to core Euro members. And even on the goods front, we import a lot more from the EU than we export to it. Why the desire to cling on at any/all cost beggars belief. Masochists (or sadists).

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Re: Anyone feeling bearish?

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Postby 1nv35t » January 11th, 2018, 1:20 pm

DiamondEcho wrote:
TUK020 wrote:Where do you reckon is good to emigrate to

As an alternative, are there still any channels open for staying in the UK and legally 'emigrating' your income-yielding assets to a sunnier tax jurisdiction?

When the location and amounts of "your money" are known ... its no longer your money/savings/wealth, but a state loan - open to be called in at any time. Increasingly under the pretext of anti tax-avoidance or terrorism protective measures the freedom to hide your own wealth/money have progressively been eroded. Whilst there are still options, its generally considered as being illegal to share them and they're so borderline that they could be made illegal to implement (any wealth that does slip through such channels is in effect seen as loss of wealth for the state).

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Re: Anyone feeling bearish?

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Postby tjh290633 » January 11th, 2018, 1:52 pm

Moderator Message:
This has gone way off topic in the last few posts, and that discussion would be better carried on in Polite Discussions. If I can, I am transferring copies of the posts there.

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Re: Anyone feeling bearish?

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Postby Raptor » January 11th, 2018, 5:47 pm

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