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Who was to blame?

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Postby beeswax » February 19th, 2018, 10:58 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... g-car.html

Cyclist was in a cycle lane and the car was signalling to turn left? The Cyclist was going pretty quick on such a road perhaps?

We did mention cyclists going very fast in previous threads and so is that a good idea in Town?

Seems an open and shut case that it was the cyclist but what do others think?

Not sure how hurt he was or the damage to his bike and should he pay for any damage to the car and why it has been suggested that they all have insurance?..50 quid should cover it or will it? ie Premium I mean or would you expect that to be more?

What about his lack of helmet? Should that be compulsory?

Interesting questions for you cyclists..

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Re: Who was to blame?

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Postby Alaric » February 19th, 2018, 11:04 pm

beeswax wrote:Cyclist was in a cycle lane and the car was signalling to turn left? The Cyclist was going pretty quick on such a road perhaps?


The Dutch have a far better solution, namely dedicated cycle roads. They even put a white line down the middle to make them explicitly two way. If they cross another road, there are explicit signs, traffic lights even, as to who has right of way.

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Re: Who was to blame?

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Postby PinkDalek » February 19th, 2018, 11:06 pm

I find it mildly amusing that you chose to blame the cyclist on the Cycling board.

As that article suggests, there are hundreds of comments taking opposing views. I was drawn by the one that the car driver should not have crossed the dedicated cycle lane without checking the coast was clear.

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Re: Who was to blame?

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Postby UncleEbenezer » February 19th, 2018, 11:40 pm

You b******! That's a Daily Wail link. It should come with a warning about loading your browser cache with all those pornographic thumbnails (there seem to be about 400 of them from just that link).

Regarding your description, it sounds like a classic illustration of why cycle lanes at the side of a road are usually much more dangerous than just treating bikes and cars as equals. The questions you pose should be entirely unambiguous. I should say the blame lies with both cyclist and driver, but more with the highway authority (for creating the conflict) than with either of them.

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Re: Who was to blame?

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Postby beeswax » February 20th, 2018, 1:28 am

UncleEbenezer wrote:You b******! That's a Daily Wail link. It should come with a warning about loading your browser cache with all those pornographic thumbnails (there seem to be about 400 of them from just that link).

Regarding your description, it sounds like a classic illustration of why cycle lanes at the side of a road are usually much more dangerous than just treating bikes and cars as equals. The questions you pose should be entirely unambiguous. I should say the blame lies with both cyclist and driver, but more with the highway authority (for creating the conflict) than with either of them.


Porno links? Read the DM and download stuff regularly and haven't seen them?

I didn't post that link to cause trouble here but obviously ruffled a few feathers...Relax, there are serious questions there and you don't need to address them but if you are a cyclist or have a family member then you should take notice of things like that. Car drivers will blame the cyclist and vice versa but just on the video link which may have porno stuff attached it shows the car signalling BEFORE the cyclist arrives at quite a high speed and think he didn't see the car signalling to turn....But that is from one point of view...I would say cyclists should not be going at that speed in a built up area but that is just my opinion.

If it's any consolation, I won't bother next time! Especially with the start of your post which is totally unnecessary! Just to add that the DM is the highest circulating newspaper and online in the UK...Obviously despised by many..

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Re: Who was to blame?

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Postby JessUK98 » February 20th, 2018, 11:30 am

This is why cycle lanes are a bad idea, especially ones like in the video (just a bit of paint along the side of the road as an after thought). The question is, is the cycle lane in question here, treated as a dedicated lane in its own right? As if it is, then the car is in the wrong for crossing in front of an oncoming vehicle in a dedicated lane. If not then the cyclist is in the wrong for not slowing and stopping for the vehicle in front of him to complete their manoeuvre. Personally I think both are to blame, The car driver for for not adequately checking before completing their manoeuvre, and the cyclist for going too fast to anticipate and react to the car turning in front of them.

If that "cycle lane" wasn't there, then I doubt that this would have happened as the cyclist should hopefully have been more aware of his surroundings and not presuming that just because he was in a cycle lane he was invincible.

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Re: Who was to blame?

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Postby didds » February 20th, 2018, 11:39 am

beeswax wrote:why it has been suggested that they all have insurance?..50 quid should cover it or will it? ie Premium I mean or would you expect that to be more?


what age do you expect cyclists then to have insurance -given there is no age limit on riding a cycle. 5? 3? 13? And if there is a cyclist blamed accident for somebody less than that age without insurance what then?

And many people do effectively have 3rd party insiurance via buildings asnd contents insurance (I am told - Ive never checked and never needed to as yet)

What about his lack of helmet? Should that be compulsory?


No. And no. There are multiple reasons why not, which a quick google will identify.

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Re: Who was to blame?

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Postby didds » February 20th, 2018, 11:43 am

To be honest both equally culpable probably... the cyclist needed to more aware that he is passing a turning and that drivers often do odd things.
Definitely the car driver (whether joint culpability or not) - the driver is making a maneuverer without checking correctly - ie path is clear etc.



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Re: Who was to blame?

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Postby didds » February 20th, 2018, 11:44 am

UncleEbenezer wrote:it sounds like a classic illustration of why cycle lanes at the side of a road are usually much more dangerous than just treating bikes and cars as equals.


^^ this

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Re: Who was to blame?

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Postby swill453 » February 20th, 2018, 11:54 am

didds wrote:
UncleEbenezer wrote:it sounds like a classic illustration of why cycle lanes at the side of a road are usually much more dangerous than just treating bikes and cars as equals.


^^ this

Indeed. This was a mandatory cycle lane (solid line) which changed abruptly to a non-mandatory one (dashed line).

What is the point of the mandatory lane, if not to give cyclists some right of way over cars? And why isn't there any signage to the cyclist that this assumed protection is coming to an end? In the equivalent scenario for a car there would be something like a Give Way sign.

Scott.


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