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Re: Halfords - free 48hr electric bike trial

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Postby jonesa1 » June 24th, 2019, 4:59 pm

Itsallaguess wrote:Some months ago I linked to an article that was suggesting that it really won't be too long before non-powered bikes are the exception rather than the rule, and I think that's a fair viewpoint when looking a few years out from here.


I gather that's already happening in the Netherlands where cycling is primarily a way of getting somewhere. It might take longer to make an impact in the UK where a lot of cycling (especially on expensive bikes) is for fun & fitness. Among the MAMILs and younger enthusiasts, e-bikes are likely to be a minority interest. The lack of safe cycle routes and secure parking won't help either, which is unfortunate because e-bikes could potentially replace cars for a lot of people who wouldn't consider (or couldn't manage) a purely self-powered bike.

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Re: Halfords - free 48hr electric bike trial

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Postby tikunetih » June 24th, 2019, 6:18 pm

UncleEbenezer wrote:If I ever had an electric bike, I'd need to be able to detach the battery to bring it indoors for charging. Kind-of like I detach the water bottle to refill it!


Many people keep bikes their in garages, sheds, utility room, hallways or other rooms, and many of these places have power outlets.

In the higher end road bike world, there are a growing number of bikes with components (power meters & electronic gear shifters) that use embedded rechargeable batteries, requiring the bike to be periodically (every so often) to be plugged into a charger. For many of them it will be no inconvenience as they'll be storing the bike somewhere near a power outlet anyway (see above).

People seem to have got used to plugging their smartphones and other gadgets in every day or two or three, as opposed to removing a battery from the gadget and charging that, and as ebikes gain in popularity a similar thing may well happen with them. Give it a decade or so and we'll all be doing the same with our cars, anyway, so few will probably bat an eyelid at doing the same with an ebike.

I'm sure detachable batteries for ebikes will be around forever, but may increasingly be confined to more niche use-cases, such as for commercial/rental bikes or super distance niches, where a rapid swap-over is required.

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Re: Halfords - free 48hr electric bike trial

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Postby 9873210 » June 25th, 2019, 5:38 pm

UncleEbenezer wrote:A bike tube is a finely-tuned piece of engineering: a carefully-crafted balance between strength, weight, durability, etc. A tube you can put a big heavy battery inside would seem to throw all that away. Unless there's some magic in there that the initiated know about but that eludes others like BJ and myself.

Bicycles are designed the way they are because of UCI rules (even where the rules don't technically apply the spirit still affect design). One of the few things you can engineer is the tubes. If you do away with UCI rules but still constrain for human power you'd add mass and get recumbents and fairings.

If you do away with the constraint of human powered there are better places to spend money and engineering effort than lighter tubes, so an optimized design has crude, heavier tubes and a slightly lighter battery pack.

This is all part of the history of cars and motor bikes, which evolved from bicycles at the end of the gas light era. Once you add non-human power everything changes. You have the option of more power instead of more efficiency.

Also not that it's not early days for electric bikes, since power assist started perhaps a century and a half ago.

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Re: Halfords - free 48hr electric bike trial

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Postby scotia » June 26th, 2019, 11:29 am

Just a few notes on the Halford e-bike which I purchased
First there's a favourable review https://www.sevendaycyclist.com/carrera ... -electric-
Secondly - its designed as an e-bike - not as a standard bike with bolted-on batteries etc.
So the folding frame is not tubular - its a sizeable box containing the battery - which either can be charged in situ, or removed (with a key) for charging indoors. The key is a security feature - you don't want someone stealing the battery!
As I have reported elsewhere, its designed as a cross-city bike, but I have also used it for some cross-country work. It folds, and fits in my car's boot. But its a bit heavy (for an old guy) to carry around when folded.

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Postby colin » June 26th, 2019, 9:33 pm

UncleEbenezer wrote:But would you buy a bike from Halfords? Bear in mind that, unless you're particularly lucky, it'll be set up by someone who neither knows nor cares about bikes,
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My experience of my two local Halfords has been quite the opposite , given that the people who staff the bike counters seem to spend most of their day maintaining old bikes customers have brought in for service I don't see how they can do that without knowing anything about bikes, have you actually set foot in the bike department of your local Halfords?

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Postby Snorvey » August 5th, 2019, 8:54 am

I took my (non electric) bike out for a spin on Sunday.

Now I'll admit that for a brief period in time I did think of an electric bike but on Sunday, it reminded me of why I shouldn't buy one. As part of the run, I decided to tackle a particular hill. This hill is an old foe of mine and we have locked horns many times in the past. It's not that it's really steep it just that it's quite steep and oh so loooong. There's no rest, no flat bits for a breather, you just have to keep your head down and the pedals spinning. Occasionally you look up and you're heart drops when you see how far you still have to go.

But then you get to the top and a sense of accomplishment comes over you. And of course you have the fun descent back down the other side.

So I'm about 2/3 up on Sunday and a prick on a battery powered pushbike comes past. 'Morning' he chirps. 'Piss off' I reply back (under my breath).

These things are destroying us. These bike should have a bright orange flashing light on them and purchasers should be made to wear a neon sign saying

'I am a fat lazy fraud. I am not disabled and don't need an electric powered mobility device, but I can't be bothered putting the work in to climb this hill using my own efforts'

And what's with all the fuss surrounding 'personal mobility devices'? (pushbikes as well as bairn's scooters but with batteries). I thought PMD's were for the disabled, not for able bodied folk. Supporters say that they will replace the car in our cities and therefore will be better for the environment. But we already have 2 x legs with which to power a PMD...this is just another lame excuse to avoid moving yourself. In any case, we fundamentally need to change our priorities and infrastructure in cities and towns away from cars first - and that's never going to happen

AND I'm reading of more an more fires in residential housing in Asian cities where these things are popular. All those lithium ion batteries, aging chargers, sub standard PMD's bought from 'reputable' sellers......

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Postby bungeejumper » August 5th, 2019, 9:06 am

Snorvey wrote:So I'm about 2/3 up on Sunday and a prick on a battery powered pushbike comes past. 'Morning' he chirps. 'Piss off' I reply back (under my breath).

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just think, if you'd had one of these you could have burned him off, no trouble. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKHz7wOjb9w

(Nice soundtrack, by the way. And how very apt.)

32 million views, and counting.....

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Postby UncleEbenezer » August 5th, 2019, 12:41 pm

Snorvey, I so wanted to give you a thumbs-up (though I thought you had a motorbike yourself?). But for one blemish: your use of "fat" as a derogatory adjective!

As for personal mobility devices, my regular bike served me well when I was temporarily disabled due to injury. :)

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Postby Snorvey » August 5th, 2019, 1:29 pm

I do have a motorbike, but it's quite clearly a mortorbike. It's taxed, insured and I and the bike have to comply with all the current UK vehicle regulations. It's not a motorbike masquerading as something else, which is what an e-bike is.

But for one blemish: your use of "fat" as a derogatory adjective!

Point taken and I apologise. The guy who zoomed past me like he was some kind of amazing fitness guru on Sunday was fat though. Not all PMD users are fat however......But you must see my point. If we legalise PMD scooters and e-bikes get ever more affordable, vast swathes of the population will never walk again and we will get fat(ter). I'll be some will even take their PMD to their expensive gym.

Regarding Amsterdam & the Dutch. I didn't see to many e-bikes when I was there last year - presumably because the bike parking areas were just overflowing with pushbikes, piled high. I get the impression some folk just grab any bike and get going. Not what you want to happen to your shiny new Personal Mobility Device.

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Postby dspp » August 5th, 2019, 1:54 pm

Snorvey wrote:
Regarding Amsterdam & the Dutch. I didn't see to many e-bikes when I was there last year - presumably because the bike parking areas were just overflowing with pushbikes, piled high. I get the impression some folk just grab any bike and get going. Not what you want to happen to your shiny new Personal Mobility Device.


You'd be fairly wrong on both counts. Not absolutely wrong but mostly wrong.

Firstly ebikes are booming in NL.

"E-Bike Now Biggest Category in the Netherlands
AMSTERDAM, the Netherlands – Increasing consumer spending, sunny weather during the summer of 2018 and an ongoing interest in e-mobility products led to an unprecedented market expansion in the Netherlands. The e-bike’s market share jumped from 31% to 40% while the total market volume increased by 5.7%. In value, the Dutch market reached historical high levels."


https://www.bike-eu.com/sales-trends/ni ... 1565009435

Secondly nicking someone else's bike is very definitely frowned upon. Trusting other people not to nick it means it is often left unlocked in many parts of NL. Unfortunately my daughter did not realise that this trustworthy aspect of human nature could not be equally relied on in the UK, which is why she left her (non-electric) bike unlocked when she came to the UK and it was pinched immediately. Oh well.

regards, dspp

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Postby Snorvey » August 5th, 2019, 2:13 pm

Well I feel sorry for the Dutch then (but as I said, I didn't see many ebikes (other than tourists) on the road. They have something just about perfect with regards to moving folk around in a city in relative car free safety, without pollution, and getting the population a decent amount of exercise at the same time.

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Postby bungeejumper » August 5th, 2019, 2:21 pm

Snorvey wrote:Regarding Amsterdam & the Dutch. I didn't see to many e-bikes when I was there last year - presumably because the bike parking areas were just overflowing with pushbikes, piled high.

Mebbe. Or mebbe it's because most of the Netherlands doesn't have hills? ;)
I get the impression some folk just grab any bike and get going. Not what you want to happen to your shiny new Personal Mobility Device.

And then there's the canal water. Apparently the life expectancy of a Parisian e-scooter is a few weeks before some yob or inebriate dumps it off a bridge into the Seine.. (https://www.ft.com/content/b994895e-83a ... e435b57a3b):
A study by the Boston Consulting Group found that the average rental e-scooter had a lifespan of just three months, whereas it took almost four months for a rental company to break even on its investment in the product. In Paris, the average lifespan is probably a lot less, and Mr Gantzer reckons some last less than a month.

Oh yes, and then there are the lovable Amsterdam cobblestones. Apart from that, the idea's got everything going for it. 8-)

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Postby Snorvey » August 6th, 2019, 1:00 pm

Audi announces e-tron scooter as last-mile mobility option

See what I mean? Last mile option my *rse.

Cue picture of slim bearded hipster bellend loving life as he moves a day nearer to a cardiac arrest.

It even has Bluetooth connectivity, which allows the rider to make individual adjustments to the ride through a smartphone.

So Audi are encouraging mobile phone use whilst using this device?

I can foresee hordes of these things infesting our streets in years to come. Keep your personal injury lawyer on speedial and don't live in a block of flats is my advice.


https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/motori ... ty-option/

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Postby AleisterCrowley » August 6th, 2019, 1:31 pm

bungeejumper wrote:
Snorvey wrote:So I'm about 2/3 up on Sunday and a prick on a battery powered pushbike comes past. 'Morning' he chirps. 'Piss off' I reply back (under my breath).

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just think, if you'd had one of these you could have burned him off, no trouble. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKHz7wOjb9w

(Nice soundtrack, by the way. And how very apt.)



BJ

Yep, sounds like a collision between Sham 69 and the Stranglers
What's not to like?

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Postby bungeejumper » August 6th, 2019, 2:37 pm

AleisterCrowley wrote:Yep, sounds like a collision between Sham 69 and the Stranglers
What's not to like?

The song's credited to a band called March to the Grave - https://music.apple.com/us/album/point- ... mpt=uo%3D4. Don't know them, but I like their style. :D

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Postby PinkDalek » August 6th, 2019, 3:28 pm

Snorvey wrote:Audi announces e-tron scooter as last-mile mobility option

... I can foresee hordes of these things infesting our streets in years to come. Keep your personal injury lawyer on speedial and don't live in a block of flats is my advice.


Confused I am!

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/are-e-scooters-too-dangerous-to-be-legalised/

E-scooters, which are illegal to drive on roads and pavements ...

So why the image in a Scottish online newspaper of someone riding one on what looks like a pavement*** and mentioning more than enough for inner-city journeys?


*** Presumably that image is taken from somewhere over the small pond.

Having had a few near misses with these things recently, as a pedestrian. Next time I shan't budge.

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Postby AleisterCrowley » August 6th, 2019, 3:41 pm

What's the difference between an eScooter and an eBike?

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Postby PinkDalek » August 6th, 2019, 3:48 pm

AleisterCrowley wrote:What's the difference between an eScooter and an eBike?


Good question. Do you know the answer?

Further to fall from an eBike but more visible I'd assume. Unless a micro eBike.

Edit: Here's some stuff on electric bikes https://www.gov.uk/electric-bike-rules

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Postby AleisterCrowley » August 6th, 2019, 3:57 pm

Nope, no idea
One could claim a scooter is a bike with small wheels and no seat. If bikes need a seat, just fit a flip up one. No need to use it, eBikes are still legal if you stand on the pedals.

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Postby bungeejumper » August 6th, 2019, 4:14 pm

I wonder which creative genius thought of marketing the Audi e-scooter as a last-mile mode of transport? I mean, I can see that the hipster isn't wearing a crash helmet, but should we infer that he also has no brakes?

In my book, a last-mile mode of transport is correctly described as a hearse. ;)

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