The language
Posted: August 12th, 2023, 9:50 pm
Does anyone choose books just for the pleasure of reading elegant language? And prose - or confined to poetry?
If so, which authors / books?
If so, which authors / books?
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stewamax wrote:Does anyone choose books just for the pleasure of reading elegant language? And prose - or confined to poetry?
If so, which authors / books?
stewamax wrote:Does anyone choose books just for the pleasure of reading elegant language? And prose - or confined to poetry?
If so, which authors / books?
stewamax wrote:Does anyone choose books just for the pleasure of reading elegant language? And prose - or confined to poetry?
If so, which authors / books?
Urbandreamer wrote:stewamax wrote:Does anyone choose books just for the pleasure of reading elegant language? And prose - or confined to poetry?
If so, which authors / books?
Sometimes. Though before I have read a book, I don't know if the language will have that elegance.
As an example can I recommend a YA book that I read as a YA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Riddle-Master_of_Hed
Slightly more grown up, all the books by Lois McMaster Bujold show excellent use of language, though not flowery. The Penric short stories possibly show the best use of words, though I'm a fan of the Vorkosigan books for their plot.
That said, I started listening to an audiobook by yet another author and had to give up. The language and narration was simply flowery, distracting from any plot, without conveying meaning. Sorry but I won't damn the author by name.
Edit, here is a link to a sample of part of the first Penric short story to judge the language.
https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_p ... d-1st-link
Dod101 wrote:Urbandreamer wrote:
Sometimes. Though before I have read a book, I don't know if the language will have that elegance.
As an example can I recommend a YA book that I read as a YA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Riddle-Master_of_Hed
Slightly more grown up, all the books by Lois McMaster Bujold show excellent use of language, though not flowery. The Penric short stories possibly show the best use of words, though I'm a fan of the Vorkosigan books for their plot.
That said, I started listening to an audiobook by yet another author and had to give up. The language and narration was simply flowery, distracting from any plot, without conveying meaning. Sorry but I won't damn the author by name.
Edit, here is a link to a sample of part of the first Penric short story to judge the language.
https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_p ... d-1st-link
Reading your extract from the Penric story I am not sure that I would have the patience to read it all but I suspect it would make for a good listen in the car for instance. I read mostly non fiction but I enjoy fiction which has a good atmosphere. That comes through the use of words but the use of language for its own sake? I am not so sure.
I appreciate your post though.
Dod
Dod101 wrote:Reading your extract from the Penric story I am not sure that I would have the patience to read it all but I suspect it would make for a good listen in the car for instance.
Dod
A sea of mist drifted through the cloud forest—soft, gray, luminescent. On the high ridges the fog showed brighter as the morning sun began to warm and lift the moisture, although in the ravine a cool, soundless dimness still counterfeited a predawn twilight.
Bubblesofearth wrote:Well, this one's not short but the language is, for me at least, definitely part of the attraction. I give you the Gormenghast trilogy and the opening paragraph as a taster;
Gormenghast, that is, the main massing of the original stone, taken by itself would have displayed a certain ponderous architectural quality were it possible to have ignored the circumfusion of those mean dwellings that swarmed like an epidemic around its outer walls. They sprawled over the sloping earth, each one half way over its neighbour until, held back by the castle ramparts, the innermost of these hovels laid hold on the great walls, clamping themselves thereto like limpets to a rock. These dwellings, by ancient law, were granted this chill intimacy with the stronghold that loomed above them. Over their irregular roofs would fall throughout the seasons, the shadows of time-eaten buttresses, of broken and lofty turrets, and, most enormous of all, the shadow of the Tower of Flints. This tower, patched unevenly with black ivy, arose like a mutilated finger from among the fists of knuckled masonry and pointed blasphemously at heaven. At night the owls made of it an echoing throat; by day it stood voiceless and cast its long shadow.
There's some good poetry in the books as well.
BoE
servodude wrote:stewamax wrote:Does anyone choose books just for the pleasure of reading elegant language? And prose - or confined to poetry?
If so, which authors / books?
This might be getting a bit meta but https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_of_Eloquence is a great read if you like English for her own sake
Repeating the sound of the first consonant in a series of words.
stevensfo wrote:servodude wrote:
This might be getting a bit meta but https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_of_Eloquence is a great read if you like English for her own sake
I just had a quick look at the link, and the first section on Alliteration is not even correct.Repeating the sound of the first consonant in a series of words.
Not true. Alliteration is the sound of letters repeating throughout a phrase, very effective if at the beginning of words but not necessarily: 'Untold trials of attrition, attacks, antagonistic stand-offs to eternity'.
Steve
servodude wrote:stevensfo wrote:
I just had a quick look at the link, and the first section on Alliteration is not even correct.
Not true. Alliteration is the sound of letters repeating throughout a phrase, very effective if at the beginning of words but not necessarily: 'Untold trials of attrition, attacks, antagonistic stand-offs to eternity'.
Steve
I was recommending the book not the Wikipedia page; sorry if that wasn't clear
stevensfo wrote:servodude wrote:
I was recommending the book not the Wikipedia page; sorry if that wasn't clear
Sorry. Just that we had an English teacher who was really hot on that subject, and I saw her ghostly apparition scowling at me.
Steve
Bubblesofearth wrote:Gormenghast, that is, the main massing of the original stone, taken by itself would have displayed a certain ponderous architectural quality were it possible to have ignored the circumfusion of those mean dwellings that swarmed like an epidemic around its outer walls. They sprawled over the sloping earth, each one half way over its neighbour until, held back by the castle ramparts, the innermost of these hovels laid hold on the great walls, clamping themselves thereto like limpets to a rock. These dwellings, by ancient law, were granted this chill intimacy with the stronghold that loomed above them. Over their irregular roofs would fall throughout the seasons, the shadows of time-eaten buttresses, of broken and lofty turrets, and, most enormous of all, the shadow of the Tower of Flints. This tower, patched unevenly with black ivy, arose like a mutilated finger from among the fists of knuckled masonry and pointed blasphemously at heaven. At night the owls made of it an echoing throat; by day it stood voiceless and cast its long shadow.
stewamax wrote:I enjoyed the first two books (Titus Groan and Gormenghast) but not the third (Titus Alone).
I especially remember Sepulchrave, Earl Groan slowly metamorphosing to resemble a huge owl, and entering the Tower of Flints where the real death-owls awaited him...
stewamax wrote:Bubblesofearth wrote:Gormenghast, that is, the main massing of the original stone, taken by itself would have displayed a certain ponderous architectural quality were it possible to have ignored the circumfusion of those mean dwellings that swarmed like an epidemic around its outer walls. They sprawled over the sloping earth, each one half way over its neighbour until, held back by the castle ramparts, the innermost of these hovels laid hold on the great walls, clamping themselves thereto like limpets to a rock. These dwellings, by ancient law, were granted this chill intimacy with the stronghold that loomed above them. Over their irregular roofs would fall throughout the seasons, the shadows of time-eaten buttresses, of broken and lofty turrets, and, most enormous of all, the shadow of the Tower of Flints. This tower, patched unevenly with black ivy, arose like a mutilated finger from among the fists of knuckled masonry and pointed blasphemously at heaven. At night the owls made of it an echoing throat; by day it stood voiceless and cast its long shadow.
I enjoyed the first two books (Titus Groan and Gormenghast) but not the third (Titus Alone).
I especially remember Sepulchrave, Earl Groan slowly metamorphosing to resemble a huge owl, and entering the Tower of Flints where the real death-owls awaited him...