Human alien interactions

[odysseus2000]

XFoolThis is true and necessarily so - given there actually is an established, and previously successful, theory.

Yes, but it’s not that useful in trading where everything changes all the time & one has to adapt & change with price action. Sticking with some thesis when price is going against you can get you killed.

That raises a thought I've had in the past: Traders are likely people who need a story.

That's been one idea I once had why - possibly! - I find traders a bit... well... eccentric? (Perhaps)

Traders want stocks that move, up or down, what traders don’t want is no movement. Most day traders will open & close positions each day & take no over night or weekend risk. For those who do accept such risk the one fear is that a stock gaps against you.

In trading you trade the price action, you do not trade on fundamentals or long term forecasts.

Regards,

[odysseus2000]

Earlier in this thread there was a discussion about Einstein's equation: E=mc**2 from his paper of 1905 which I came across as a translation but with old nomenclature and old units here:

https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton. ... -trans/186

Another translation using modern notation and units is here:

https://www.astro.puc.cl/~rparra/tools/PAPERS/e_mc2.pdf

The original Youtube video I saw that has these links is here:

https://youtu.be/Xo232kyTsO0

Regards,

[CliffEdge]

Earlier in this thread there was a discussion about Einstein's equation: E=mc**2 from his paper of 1905 which I came across as a translation but with old nomenclature and old units here:

https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton. ... -trans/186

Another translation using modern notation and units is here:

https://www.astro.puc.cl/~rparra/tools/PAPERS/e_mc2.pdf

The original Youtube video I saw that has these links is here:

https://youtu.be/Xo232kyTsO0

Regards,

Yes that really sums up why it's so difficult to accept the basis of relativity that all inertial frames are equal.

[odysseus2000]

This is Albert Einstein in a brief video talking about e=mc**2:

https://youtu.be/lMvNkl8uts0

Regards,

[odysseus2000]

In depth discussion of Einstein’s mass energy relationship:

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/equivME/

Regards,

[XFool]

Yes that really sums up why it's so difficult to accept the basis of relativity that all inertial frames are equal.

Does it? I can't see anything difficult about the idea that all inertial frames are equal - why wouldn't they be? Surely it's the consequences, given the laws of electromagnetism, that are difficult to come to terms with?

[CliffEdge]

Yes that really sums up why it's so difficult to accept the basis of relativity that all inertial frames are equal.

Does it? I can't see anything difficult about the idea that all inertial frames are equal - why wouldn't they be? Surely it's the consequences, given the laws of electromagnetism, that are difficult to come to terms with?

Exactly

[jfgw]

Yes that really sums up why it's so difficult to accept the basis of relativity that all inertial frames are equal.

What is the alternative?

What would the stationary reference frame be referenced to?

Given that we are on a spinning earth, orbiting the sun, which is orbiting the centre of the Milky Way, how do I know exactly when to hit a golf ball so that it goes straight?


Julian F. G. W.

[CliffEdge]

Yes that really sums up why it's so difficult to accept the basis of relativity that all inertial frames are equal.

What is the alternative?

What would the stationary reference frame be referenced to?

Given that we are on a spinning earth, orbiting the sun, which is orbiting the centre of the Milky Way, how do I know exactly when to hit a golf ball so that it goes straight?


Julian F. G. W.

Of all the excuses...

[odysseus2000]

Prof. Michio Kaku is moving towards agreeing with my prejudice over uap:

https://youtu.be/YebZyAzLZuc

Regards,

[Itsallaguess]

Prof. Michio Kaku is moving towards agreeing with my prejudice over uap:

https://youtu.be/YebZyAzLZuc

Are you able to find any other professors though Ody, who don't also happen to be wanting to sell large numbers of books about this type of thing as well?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=Michio+Kaku+books

Do you perhaps agree that this is an area that is rich with the potential to blur science and popular consumerism?

Cheers,

Itsallaguess

[odysseus2000]

The folk who have books to sell are the ones who come on social media, the ones who have no commercial interest don’t attract the media.

What I took from the interview was that the science narrative was presented is very similar to what I also drew from the reported data.

Obviously if the data is faked then everything falls apart, but if the data is right it becomes increasingly difficult to come up with alternative explanations to unknown technology in the skies of the world.

Getting side tracked into discussions about commercial interests is distracting from the arguments that are themselves based on experimental data. Similarly going into discussions of various types of advanced civilisations, albeit interesting, is distracting from the narrative.

The science now needs better data & if more information is held by the governments of the world this needs to be released, but it seems unlikely for unknown reasons that any such data will be released & so it will require more observational measurement from open source investigators and/or some communication with what ever technology is in the yap, assuming we are smart enough to understand it.

Regards,

[odysseus2000]

Nasa sets up group to study uap:

https://twitter.com/nickpopemod/status/ ... _Qz2B3r16g

Regards,

[mc2fool]

Nasa sets up group to study uap:

https://twitter.com/nickpopemod/status/ ... _Qz2B3r16g

Regards,

Links to https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-to-set-up-independent-study-on-unidentified-aerial-phenomena/

"There is no evidence UAPs are extra-terrestrial in origin."

[odysseus2000]

Nasa sets up group to study uap:

https://twitter.com/nickpopemod/status/ ... _Qz2B3r16g

Regards,

Links to https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-to-set-up-independent-study-on-unidentified-aerial-phenomena/

"There is no evidence UAPs are extra-terrestrial in origin."

Since no one knows what they are, one can also confidently say that there is no evidence that they are not extra-terrestrial.

It is fascinating that after such a long period of no interest there is now interest from all the people with the instruments and tools to collect high quality data on what these things are and with so many folk involved it will be far more difficult to dream up conspiracy theories or have real conspiracies.

Things are getting super exciting.

Regards,

[odysseus2000]

Interesting repeating radio signals. Some want to put this down to intelligent life but I don't see much to support that hypothesis:

https://www.sciencealert.com/a-new-myst ... a-weird-un

Regards

[mc2fool]

Nasa sets up group to study uap:

https://twitter.com/nickpopemod/status/ ... _Qz2B3r16g

Regards,

Links to https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-to-set-up-independent-study-on-unidentified-aerial-phenomena/

"There is no evidence UAPs are extra-terrestrial in origin."

Since no one knows what they are, one can also confidently say that there is no evidence that they are not extra-terrestrial.

And yet NASA's announcement chooses not to mention that point of view.

Of course, they also don't say that there is no evidence UAPs are paranormal in origin. Or supernatural. Yet in all this long thread you don't seem to have even considered those possibilities. Shut out completely?

Since no one knows what UAP are, one can also confidently say that there is no evidence that they are not angels dancing, or pixies prancing, or the black magic side effects of witches covens.....

[XFool]

Meanwhile... I enjoyed this 'takedown' of Metabunk and Mick West.

Metabunk Mick West caught lying about UFO's

https://metabunkshill.blogspot.com/2016/11/metabunk-mick-west-caught-lying-about.html

"Anyone who has spent time viewing conspiracy theories in forums, has likely came to the conclusion that there[sic] are pro government employees or "shills" who attempt to debunk all conspiracy theories. These "debunkers" are usually well educated in philosophy and psychology. Debunker's will always ask for "evidence" supporting the conspiracy theory. Evidence is a debunker or shills favorite word. Debunkers demand evidence for any claim or speculation supporting a conspiracy theory, while they usually present little to no evidence to support their arguments. Debunker's know very well that no matter what the evidence, it can be argued because all evidence is subjective. All evidence requires subjective interpretation."

Yeah. Damn these people and their desire for "evidence"!

[odysseus2000]

Meanwhile... I enjoyed this 'takedown' of Metabunk and Mick West.

Metabunk Mick West caught lying about UFO's

https://metabunkshill.blogspot.com/2016/11/metabunk-mick-west-caught-lying-about.html

"Anyone who has spent time viewing conspiracy theories in forums, has likely came to the conclusion that there[sic] are pro government employees or "shills" who attempt to debunk all conspiracy theories. These "debunkers" are usually well educated in philosophy and psychology. Debunker's will always ask for "evidence" supporting the conspiracy theory. Evidence is a debunker or shills favorite word. Debunkers demand evidence for any claim or speculation supporting a conspiracy theory, while they usually present little to no evidence to support their arguments. Debunker's know very well that no matter what the evidence, it can be argued because all evidence is subjective. All evidence requires subjective interpretation."

Yeah. Damn these people and their desire for "evidence"!

This reminds me of when 100 German scientists including some Nobel winners argued that Relativity was wrong.

Einstein remarked, why 100 people when one fact would be enough.

Often in physics there are definitive results or what physicists refer to as laws for which no deviations have been found, things like conservation of energy and momentum at the macro level, but even these laws are subject to the uncertainty principle stating that e.g. position and momentum can not simultaneously be measured with arbitrary accuracy.

Regards,

[odysseus2000]

mc2fool
Since no one knows what UAP are, one can also confidently say that there is no evidence that they are not angels dancing, or pixies prancing, or the black magic side effects of witches covens.....

These and many other possibilities can not be eliminated as of now, but the general process is to eliminate what is impossible as these measurements and new programs should do and what ever is left, no matter how improbable, has to be the truth, as Sherlock Holmes remarked.

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