beeswax wrote:
I don't see intolerance from ALL quarters at all. Its mostly the religious that are intolerant.Re the Christian Church with its blanket opposition to homosexuals and women. Ditto Islam where the world is going to hell in handcart unless its stopped and one thing is for sure. Islam has THE global ambition to be the dominant and ONLY religious faith in the world. They will be quite happy the progress they have made since they were a small insignificant band in Arabia. If people are thinking of the EU as being the precursor of a new world order...Well that's another mess they have created as peoples don't want to be corralled into a political union controlled from the centre. How many examples do they need where this has been tried and failed?
First, beeswax, I am glad you have decided to stick around. This place would get way dull if you left.
But, if you truly think it is only those of faith that are intolerant, then I suggest you get out more. However, the point is the intolerance, or that which you see, in those of faith.
I am a person of faith, and have no issue with women. I married one.
I also really have no problem with those of same sex attraction. They should have every secular right I have, and I would oppose any that would take that away. I only ask in return that you don't try to change the theology of my church to meet your secular norms. Seems fair to me.
As far as Islam goes, we have an excellent spokesperson for that faith posting. He is obviously intelligent.
I know you have a past problem with people of faith, but why don't you try to just narrow it down to the people of faith posting here. If we cannot make peace here, it is unlikely it can be done globally. You will find me amazingly liberal in many ways. Of course, that is classic liberalism. If you are reasonable with me, I will be more than reasonable with you. IN fact, you will find I agree with many your criticisms of the church.
Regards,
Double R