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The BBC reports on a Bradford choir who went down with similar problems to the virus starting in December.

A partner of one of the members had returned from Wuhan in December.

feder1 wrote:
The BBC reports on a Bradford choir who went down with similar problems to the virus starting in December.

A partner of one of the members had returned from Wuhan in December.

Here's a link to the article itself -

Coronavirus doctor's diary: The strange case of the choir that coughed in January -

Dr John Wright of Bradford Royal Infirmary is intrigued by a group of amateur singers who experienced a viral illness with familiar symptoms long before the first recorded case in the UK.

One of the unexpected benefits of Covid-19 is that, finally, everyone knows what an epidemiologist does. I no longer get mixed up with a dermatologist and asked to look at people's skin rashes. An epidemiologist is a medical detective, and like all detectives, the three key clues we are looking for are always: person, place and time.

So when I got an email out of the blue from a Bradford resident saying that she and her friends may have been infected with Covid-19 in January - nearly two months before the first confirmed case of transmission in the UK - I looked for these clues and decided to investigate further.

Jane Hall is a member of two choirs - the Voices of Yorkshire choir and the All Together Now Community Choir - and she says that Covid-like symptoms affected members of both, starting in early January.

Among the first singers to get ill was the partner of a man who returned from a business trip to Wuhan on 17 or 18 December and developed a hacking cough.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52589449

Cheers,

Itsallaguess

There are some interesting reports appearing which suggest that the virus was around early in 2019. This from waste water analysis.

It is possible that I might have had it in October 2018 when I had 10 days of very painful sore throat. A number of my friends and colleagues had very bad colds before Christmas.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... t-12015612

https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/nr/was ... s-1.888514

Logically, there would have been many more sick people who didn’nt get sufficiently ill to get into hospital suggesting that the ailment was circulating even earlier than the hospital admissions.

We have written to the Covid Symptom Study app about this.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... m-12068861

feder1 wrote:There are some interesting reports appearing which suggest that the virus was around early in 2019. This from waste water analysis.

It is possible that I might have had it in October 2018 when I had 10 days of very painful sore throat. A number of my friends and colleagues had very bad colds before Christmas.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... t-12015612

https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/nr/was ... s-1.888514

Or, perhaps more likely, you had another virus or bug that resulted in a sore throat.

It seems that an antibody test can determine whether one has had it.

The home pin prick tests are not recommended but the health clinics offer tests at prices around £65 plus.

It could be only a matter of time before the price comes down so it might be a consideration then.

Yet more evidence that covid 19 was circulating in September 2019.

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-circ ... m-12133825

I would be astonished if we didn’t have it in December, and I don’t think anybody informed would disagree.
There is firm evidence of a case in France in December, and the Wuhan paper had the first case there I think in late November, so it’s highly likely that there were sporadic cases in Europe from then. Probably in Italy and Spain given what we know of where the epidemic surged first in Europe.

Although I’m not aware of a confirmed case from the UK in December, this isn’t really news.

This quote from the article below makes my point.

Sue said: 'It just seems to me the government are in complete denial by saying they don't believe it was in this country before the end of January.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... EMBER.html

A 67 yo woman dies.

It looks like the authorities don,t want to investigate when the virus started circulating in the UK.

Surely the scientists and doctors are wondering about all this?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/g ... li=BBoPWjQ