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Celtic or Celtic

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Postby BrummieDave » February 11th, 2020, 6:00 pm

Why is 'Celtic' pronounced 'Keltic' when relating to 'Celtic nations or language', but pronounced 'Seltic' when referring to sport (football in Glasgow, Basketball in Boston etc.)...?

Same word, same basic root, consistently different pronunciation between its use in sport or not...

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Re: Celtic or Celtic

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Postby tjh290633 » February 11th, 2020, 7:39 pm

In Welsh, for example, C always is hard while S provides the soft sound. I suspect that Seltic comes from the pronunciation rules in other languages, like Italian or English.

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Re: Celtic or Celtic

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Postby Urbandreamer » February 11th, 2020, 7:44 pm

I don't know if there IS an answer. However you might like this link.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-a ... -or-seltic

It probably depends upon if you think it should be pronounced the Roman way or the Greek way.

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Re: Celtic or Celtic

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Postby BrummieDave » February 11th, 2020, 10:18 pm

Urbandreamer wrote:I don't know if there IS an answer. However you might like this link.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-a ... -or-seltic

It probably depends upon if you think it should be pronounced the Roman way or the Greek way.


Interesting link, thank you.

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Re: Celtic or Celtic

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Postby bungeejumper » February 12th, 2020, 9:50 am

Urbandreamer wrote:It probably depends upon if you think it should be pronounced the Roman way or the Greek way.

Well I think we should tell these pushy Europeans to stop telling us how to pronounce our own language. Our Kelts was different from their Selts, wasn't they? Tell 'em to mind their own business.

BJ

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Re: Celtic or Celtic

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Postby servodude » February 12th, 2020, 9:58 am

bungeejumper wrote:
Urbandreamer wrote:It probably depends upon if you think it should be pronounced the Roman way or the Greek way.

Well I think we should tell these pushy Europeans to stop telling us how to pronounce our own language. Our Kelts was different from their Selts, wasn't they? Tell 'em to mind their own business.

BJ

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Re: Celtic or Celtic

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Postby UncleEbenezer » February 12th, 2020, 6:17 pm

tjh290633 wrote:In Welsh, for example, C always is hard while S provides the soft sound. I suspect that Seltic comes from the pronunciation rules in other languages, like Italian or English.

TJH

The Italian "c" is not hard, it's english "ch" as in "check".

Italian "ch" is a hard sound we might write as a K.

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Re: Celtic or Celtic

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Postby mc2fool » February 15th, 2020, 5:16 pm

UncleEbenezer wrote:
tjh290633 wrote:In Welsh, for example, C always is hard while S provides the soft sound. I suspect that Seltic comes from the pronunciation rules in other languages, like Italian or English.

TJH

The Italian "c" is not hard, it's english "ch" as in "check".

Italian "ch" is a hard sound we might write as a K.

The Italian "c" is only the soft "ch" as in "check" if it is followed by an "e" or "i", e.g. ciao, Vicenza, Lecce, etc.

In all other cases it's hard, as "k" in English. Capri, Ancona, Cremona, Marche, Siracusa.

This is actually the same as the (originally) latin derived parts of English, where we generally pronounce a "c" followed by an e, i or y as an "s" and otherwise as a "k" ... but there are plenty of exceptions 'cos English has so many influences: nordic, germanic, latin, greek .... celtic. :D


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