pje16 wrote:Tesco up 3.2% as well
good day for the foodies !
I hold those two, but not MRW.
Ian.
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pje16 wrote:Tesco up 3.2% as well
good day for the foodies !
ReallyVeryFoolish wrote:The next British retail business to be loaded up with debt, asset stripped, the new owners taking massive dividends along the way. Then floating the company again when they have milked it to near death. Then it fails due to weight of debt and lack of investment. Such is the familiar story of British retail business and venture capital buyouts.
RVF
ReallyVeryFoolish wrote:The next British retail business to be loaded up with debt, asset stripped, the new owners taking massive dividends along the way. Then floating the company again when they have milked it to near death. Then it fails due to weight of debt and lack of investment. Such is the familiar story of British retail business and venture capital buyouts.
RVF
simoan wrote:ReallyVeryFoolish wrote:The next British retail business to be loaded up with debt, asset stripped, the new owners taking massive dividends along the way. Then floating the company again when they have milked it to near death. Then it fails due to weight of debt and lack of investment. Such is the familiar story of British retail business and venture capital buyouts.
RVF
It's called capitalism! Lump it or like it, it's the way the world we live in works, and always has done. If you don't like it, then you probably shouldn't invest in the stockmarket!
Clitheroekid wrote:But it's not just private equity funds that are on the prowl. I was shocked to read recently that nearly 60% of the shares in the FTSE companies and over 50% of those in all listed companies are now owned overseas.
It's a similar picture with Central London property, both commercial and residential, and now it's spreading out from London, with many new build houses in expensive areas being bought off plan by overseas `investors', helping, incidentally, to push property prices to even more insane levels than they are now.
Dod101 wrote:
Investors ought to be glad that someone is now taking an interest!
Dod101 wrote:That is all very well but CK might like to remember that the UK is a very big investor overseas and particularly in the US. There was an article in a weekend paper showing us that not only is the US our biggest trading partner by far but we are also a very big investor in that country so it works both ways.Dod
RockRabbit wrote:Dod101 wrote:That is all very well but CK might like to remember that the UK is a very big investor overseas and particularly in the US. There was an article in a weekend paper showing us that not only is the US our biggest trading partner by far but we are also a very big investor in that country so it works both ways.Dod
Except that the US is not 'our biggest trading partner by far', the EU is. Just under half our trade is with the EU and around 15% or so with the US, depending on your definitions and time periods.
Latest EU/ROW stats:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/national ... /april2021
UncleEbenezer wrote:Clitheroekid wrote:But it's not just private equity funds that are on the prowl. I was shocked to read recently that nearly 60% of the shares in the FTSE companies and over 50% of those in all listed companies are now owned overseas.
Does "overseas" include all those investment vehicles (funds, ITs, PE, etc) registered in tax havens such as the channel islands, but listed on the London exchange and held by the likes of Fools and (other) pension investors?
Itsallaguess wrote:Dod101 wrote:
Investors ought to be glad that someone is now taking an interest!
Well I'm glad...
With a forecast yield before the recent 32% share-price uplift of about 4%, if we assume that it's unlikely that there'll be a rapid uplift in that underlying dividend (and we'd have to ask ourselves why there would be, if someone is looking to take them over to gain access to some previously un-tapped value.....), then the current yield on the now-higher MRW share price might be around 3%, so with my invested MRW capital now having risen 32% in recent days, I might look to rotate that larger capital amount into a much more diverse income-investment, such as an income-related Investment Trust, which might still be yielding around the 4% mark...
The likely result would be to have a less risky 'single-source' investment for that larger capital amount, and also a round-trip rise in underlying dividend income from the new investment around 32% higher than the original yearly dividend amount from Morrisons...
If that's a poor outcome, then I'd like to know what a good one looks like....
Itsallaguess wrote:Aims -
1. De-risk invested capital from a single-share investment to a much broader income-related Investment Trust.
2. Plan to increase the yield from that shifted capital in the same de-risking process.
Having recently carried out a similar process with the received RSA funds a few weeks ago, I'm very happy being able to process this type of de-risking and income-uplift using positive market events as a trigger to do so...
Cheers,
Itsallaguess
simoan wrote:Itsallaguess wrote:
Aims -
1. De-risk invested capital from a single-share investment to a much broader income-related Investment Trust.
2. Plan to increase the yield from that shifted capital in the same de-risking process.
Having recently carried out a similar process with the received RSA funds a few weeks ago, I'm very happy being able to process this type of de-risking and income-uplift using positive market events as a trigger to do so...
I admit I don't understand how this de-risks anything much unless MRW is the only single company share you own and it is a significant percentage of your investment portfolio?
If you hold it along with 20 or 30 other single company shares (maybe as one of those HYP things) and MRW is 1 or 2% of your total investments then I don't really see selling it moving the risk dial at all. IMHO it makes little sense to look at the risk of individual investments which are only a very small part of your overall portfolio standalone, that's just micro-managing. Of course, if MRW was 50% of your portfolio then I can see your point!
If I was looking to de-risk my portfolio I would just do it, it makes little sense to do it only at a time when there is some kind of positive event that forces you to make a decision. In particular, if there was a large negative event it would then be too late to de-risk
Itsallaguess wrote:It's de-risking the volatility of the income from my income-portfolio by gradually moving away from what single-company holdings (ex-HYP) remain in it, to a set of more broadly-invested income-IT's, which provide the following benefits to me over the single-company HYP holdings that I've held in the past -
1. They're each quite broadly invested in their own spheres, with many individual underlying holdings themselves
2. Their spheres reach much wider areas of the market, in terms of sectors and/or geographies, than have been previously covered by my single-company HYP holdings
3. They almost all carry, by default, some level of income-cover to help 'internally cope' with underlying fluctuations in their sub-investment income, enabling them to smooth out dividend payments to holding investors
simoan wrote:Itsallaguess wrote:
It's de-risking the volatility of the income from my income-portfolio by gradually moving away from what single-company holdings (ex-HYP) remain in it, to a set of more broadly-invested income-IT's, which provide the following benefits to me over the single-company HYP holdings that I've held in the past -
1. They're each quite broadly invested in their own spheres, with many individual underlying holdings themselves
2. Their spheres reach much wider areas of the market, in terms of sectors and/or geographies, than have been previously covered by my single-company HYP holdings
3. They almost all carry, by default, some level of income-cover to help 'internally cope' with underlying fluctuations in their sub-investment income, enabling them to smooth out dividend payments to holding investors
I'm not sure why every thread on TLF ultimately ends up with a discussion of investing for income only and the HYP approach!
Its dogma just pervades the whole TLF website which is incredibly frustrating to those that don't follow it.
Itsallaguess wrote:I was replying to your post that said you don't understand how my trade out of MRW de-risks anything from an income point of view
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