Mike4 wrote:dealtn wrote:servodude wrote:
People use the term "weasel words" with respect to language that is used to avoid being forthright.
One thing is said in the knowledge, and with the intent, that something else will will be inferred.
Just to be clear in this case, people don't think it's "weaselly" because there are a small cohort (such as the pregnant) that haven't been offered a vaccine
People think it's "weaselly" because being offered a vaccine doesn't mean that someone is protected against the disease
- it's a semantic loophole
There is no doubt that the phrase is correct: every adult in the UK has been offered a vaccine
It is also literally true to say every adult in Australia has been offered a vaccine
I'm sure you probably realise that doesn't make the vaccine roll outs equivalent?
Have fun
- sd
Nobody is claiming being offered a vaccine is the same as being fully protected. Be that those that say the words, or those that hear them.
It's not a semantic loophole at all. It is a truthful statement that all can understand. What legitimate alternative phraseology do you think should be used that conveys the message?
Missing the point by a country mile.
SD and I are trying (obviously with no success) to say the relevant statistic is the number of people vaccinated, not Johnson's figure of the number of people vaccinated
plus the number who refused.
I think it isn't me missing the point, and certainly not by that vague distance.
I, and I suspect the vast majority of the population, fully get that being offered the vaccine, isn't the same as having the vaccine, be that 1 dose, or 2, nor that this in itself provides 100% protection. Can you find a single instance where I have claimed this, or indeed anyone in government or their advisors?
Honestly we all get it, and find it frustrating others persist in this belief that anyone is making any claim along those lines.
The authorities provide a wide range of data, updated usually daily, covering a spectrum of measures of varying granularity. So when they say all adults have been offered the vaccine that is because (except in very limited circumstances) that is true. They also tell us how many vaccinations have taken place in total, by region, daily and cumulatively, by first and second dose, and across various ethnicities.
So please stop the claim the government is suggesting everyone is fully protected and that is the reason they are continuing the policy of easing restrictions. They fully know there are risks. They tolerate the risks of continued easing against the backdrop of those risks and the data as it is updated. That's it.
Not everyone is vaccinated. Not everyone will likely ever be vaccintaed. Even with vaccination not everyone will be protected and safe. People will continue to catch it, be hospitalised by it and indeed die of it. I know that, we know that and the government knows that.
So if you have a different message that you find it difficult to get out please try again. Because we get that the relevant statistics are the numbers vaccinated, preferably both doses, and preferably with a period thereafter for maximum protection to ensue. However, the data that measures the delivery of that is not solely under the control of the authorities - unless you think there is (or should be) compulsion.
