The Lemon Fool

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John

redsturgeon wrote:It was almost 48 hours with no posts of this board.

John

Reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZDo-udXmgQ

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AiY

Double the number today , a 100% increase. Back to lockdown everyone! Put that light out!

I think people are misunderstanding the data. It is not all reported at once.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

Data for the period ending 5 days before the date when the website was last updated with data for the selected area, highlighted in grey, is incomplete.

Deaths within 28 days of a test have been in the range of 7-11 per day for a week or so, once you ignore the incomplete days.

Throughout the pandemic the reported values on Sunday and Monday have been about half those reported on other days.

We can conclude one of the following:

1. Some bureaucrats don't work on the weekend.
2. Calendar reform, going to a two day week, would have be a powerful weapon against COVID. This is being covered up by TPTB who don't want anything to interfere with their lockdown.

Yet people keep cherry picking the Sunday numbers. It's odd because there is actual good news in the numbers.
I guess some people really don't care about facts. Even, perhaps especially, when the facts are favourable.

[quote="9873210"]Throughout the pandemic the reported values on Sunday and Monday have been about half those reported on other days.

We can conclude one of the following:

1. Some bureaucrats don't work on the weekend.
2. Calendar reform, going to a two day week, would have be a powerful weapon against COVID. This is being covered up by TPTB who don't want anything to interfere with their lockdown.

Gotta keep that "population cull", "Great Reset" on track!

From the BBC tonight -

Pandemic plateauing globally, says WHO..

The World Health Organization briefing also heard that the world is seeing a levelling off in the number of coronavirus cases and deaths. Numbers are declining in most areas, including the Americas and Europe, the worst-hit regions.

"But it’s an unacceptably high plateau, with more than 5.4 million reported COVID-19 cases and almost 90,000 deaths last week," the WHO's Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told the briefing.

He said a global disparity in who can access vaccines remains one of the biggest obstacles to ending the pandemic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-57054687

Cheers,

Itsallaguess

Zero UK Covid deaths reported today. However........ India variant is outcompeting the Kent variant in both India and the UK.
India variant appears to be even more infectious than the Kent variant, with whole households becoming infected.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57059196
Four deaths , all in Wales..... so zero in England, NI, and the People's Republic of Sturgonia
And yes I know the figures are likely to vary around weekends - but it's not like it's gone 500, 490,507, 2,4.....

Snorvey wrote: The People's Republic of Sturgonia

Good one!

May I enquire where Sturgonia is please?

AiY

AsleepInYorkshire wrote:

Snorvey wrote: The People's Republic of Sturgonia

Good one!

May I enquire where Sturgonia is please?

AiY

You might know it under its old name, Salmonella.

AsleepInYorkshire wrote:

Snorvey wrote: The People's Republic of Sturgonia

Good one!

May I enquire where Sturgonia is please?

A desired northerly Republic where a generation is less than 8 years (at least according to their proclamation of once in a generation vote). Or perhaps that just prefers the EU's style of vote repeatedly until the 'right' choice is made based "democracy".

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... ion_uptake

neat 10x10 plot showing vaccination uptake from Covid gov site

Summary
1/3 adults have had 2 shots
2/3 adults have had 1 shot

TUK020 wrote:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... ion_uptake

neat 10x10 plot showing vaccination uptake from Covid gov site

Summary -

1/3 adults have had 2 shots
2/3 adults have had 1 shot

There was some really promising news yesterday regarding the Pfizer and AstraZenica vaccine benefits -

Vaccinations offer high levels of protection against hospitalisation and death from Covid-19, according to latest analysis of the outcome of England’s vaccination programme.

According to a report published today (10th May), individuals who receive a single dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine have approximately 80% lower risk of death with Covid-19 compared with unvaccinated individuals.

The report also shows protection against death from the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine rises from approximately 80% after one dose to 97% after two doses.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... bad78f9a5e

I'm constantly amazed at how well these vaccines are doing when we look at the UK figures in recent weeks, and as terrible as things have been over the last 16 months, we should be grateful for the speed with which the scientific community were able to provide the wide number of options that we're currently able to work with....

Cheers,

Itsallaguess

Itsallaguess wrote:I'm constantly amazed at how well these vaccines are doing when we look at the UK figures in recent weeks, and as terrible as things have been over the last 16 months, we should be grateful for the speed with which the scientific community were able to provide the wide number of options that we're currently able to work with....

Absolutely.
There were some pretty dark days in January, and it is incredible how much better the situation has got since.

Itsallaguess wrote:I'm constantly amazed at how well these vaccines are doing when we look at the UK figures in recent weeks, and as terrible as things have been over the last 16 months, we should be grateful for the speed with which the scientific community were able to provide the wide number of options that we're currently able to work with....

Cheers,

Itsallaguess

And I think what we are seeing here is just the immediate first order effect. There is likely to be a more profound 2nd order effect that will play our over years to come.

The amount of investment and effort that has gone into the mRNA vaccination technology (Pfizer/BioNTech & Moderna)has resulted in a new technology platform that has fundamentally changed the industrial economics of vaccines - improved the cost/speed/scaleability equation that means it is feasible to develop vaccines for diseases that were previously uneconomic (for which read mostly afflicting poorer emerging economies).
I have seen first discussion of vaccines for malaria (kills millions of under 5s every year). Many others to follow I hope.

What we see and hear about are the conditions that have economic impact in the developed world. There are many others that have much more significant impact on the overall human condition and misery index. However, I do concede that it may be a while before we are able to see this pandemic as a blessing in disguise.

Itsallaguess wrote:
There was some really promising news yesterday regarding the Pfizer and AstraZenica vaccine benefits -

Vaccinations offer high levels of protection against hospitalisation and death from Covid-19, according to latest analysis of the outcome of England’s vaccination programme.
…
The report also shows protection against death from the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine rises from approximately 80% after one dose to 97% after two doses.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... bad78f9a5e
…

On that 97% double-dose protection against death figure, in case anyone gets spooked by it only referring to Pfizer-BioNTech with no mention of AZ/Oxford data, that is simply because the U.K. started rolling out the AZ vaccine about a month after it started the Pfizer rollout so at the time of this report they hadn’t collected enough data for fully vaccinated (double-dose) AZ people to be able to draw strong enough conclusions there. Presumably in about a month’s time we will see a follow-up release that includes data for AZ double-dose vaccination. In the phase 3 trials both AZ and Pfizer showed at or close to 100% protection against hospitalisation & death (in fact I think Pfizer might have not quite been 100% with 1 hospitalisation in the active group vs none at all for AZ) so I’m cautiously optimistic that the missing AZ numbers, when available, will be similar to the Pfizer 97% figure. As an AZ recipient I’m looking forward to seeing the actual numbers as soon as possible.

I definitely agree with the sentiments re how great the vaccine science has been and I am hopeful that it will be a lasting benefit that goes far beyond a “thank goodness we got so many good Covid-19 vaccines” one-off triumph. Particularly with the mRNA technology so much practical knowledge must be being gained at the moment about how to manufacture them reliably, the properties of the lipid nanoparticles and maybe other delivery mechanisms, how to stabilise them at higher temperatures, expression times for the proteins, etc, etc. This technology has potential far beyond “just” vaccines. We might well be witnessing the point when a new medical technology goes from niche to “mainstream” and that’s quite exciting.

- Julian