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UncleEbenezer wrote:Compared to Baroness Dido-In-Disaster-Out.
I believe Ms Bingham was already a highly successful person before any of this. And I suppose random chance says that from time to time someone connected to government is also actually competent - and she's the one.
CliffEdge wrote:Why are pretty much all members of the cabinet useless idiots?
gryffron wrote:The daughter of Baron Bingham of Cornhill
Privately educated.
Oxford graduate.
Married to a Tory MP.
Plenty there for Labour to criticize if she'd got it all wrong. I wonder if they'll mention it for such a success story?
88V8 wrote:CliffEdge wrote:Why are pretty much all members of the cabinet useless idiots?
Partly because successive govts have not had the courage to ensure that MPs' salaries are attractive to people of the right calibre.
Virtue-signalling pay cuts and passes eventually have an effect.
Not in her case though.
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gryffron wrote:The daughter of Baron Bingham of Cornhill
Privately educated.
Oxford graduate.
Married to a Tory MP.
Plenty there for Labour to criticize if she'd got it all wrong. I wonder if they'll mention it for such a success story?
mc2fool wrote:gryffron wrote:The daughter of Baron Bingham of Cornhill
Privately educated.
Oxford graduate.
Married to a Tory MP.
Plenty there for Labour to criticize if she'd got it all wrong. I wonder if they'll mention it for such a success story?
Nope, the pattern is clear and was repeated in this morning's political chat shows.
Credit for success of the vaccine rollout goes to the NHS, not the govt who "should stop giving themselves a pat on the back for it".
Failure of test & trace is the govt's fault for handing it to their chums in private companies.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000wx2l/politics-london-06062021 start around 10:30
Nimrod103 wrote:
Given that the countries with the most draconian test and trace procedures, such as Taiwan and Korea, are now seeing rising case numbers, has any country got a successful test and trace record?
9873210 wrote:Nimrod103 wrote:
Given that the countries with the most draconian test and trace procedures, such as Taiwan and Korea, are now seeing rising case numbers, has any country got a successful test and trace record?
At the current time using 7-day rolling average from https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
Per capita new infection rate
S. Korea 11.63 (and steady)
Taiwan 18.89 (and falling)
UK 59.64 (and rising)
Per capita death rate:
S. Korea 0.06
Taiwan 0.65
UK 0.12
The only one of these that even hints these countries have done poorly is Taiwan's death rate, but that would have continue for another eight years to get to the current UK death total. So yes Taiwan and S. Korea have done well. And there appears to be a lot of sour grapes over the ****show that was and probably will be the UK response.
Nimrod103 wrote:9873210 wrote:Nimrod103 wrote:Given that the countries with the most draconian test and trace procedures, such as Taiwan and Korea, are now seeing rising case numbers, has any country got a successful test and trace record?
At the current time using 7-day rolling average from https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
Per capita new infection rate
S. Korea 11.63 (and steady)
Taiwan 18.89 (and falling)
UK 59.64 (and rising)
Per capita death rate:
S. Korea 0.06
Taiwan 0.65
UK 0.12
The only one of these that even hints these countries have done poorly is Taiwan's death rate, but that would have continue for another eight years to get to the current UK death total. So yes Taiwan and S. Korea have done well. And there appears to be a lot of sour grapes over the ****show that was and probably will be the UK response.
From today's Guardian:
After living largely Covid-free, Taiwan is experiencing its worst outbreak of the pandemic, with about 11,000 total cases and more than 260 deaths – more than 90% of them since mid-April. In a statement Taiwan’s cabinet said the outbreak “has not yet stabilised”, and they would release more details of the extension later today.
So much for current test and trace effectiveness. Japan and the USA are rushing vaccines to Taiwan because AIUI the CCP is trying to prevent vaccines from much-vaunted countries more under CCP influence from reaching Taiwan.
Nimrod103 wrote:From today's Guardian:
After living largely Covid-free, Taiwan is experiencing its worst outbreak of the pandemic, with about 11,000 total cases and more than 260 deaths – more than 90% of them since mid-April. In a statement Taiwan’s cabinet said the outbreak “has not yet stabilised”, and they would release more details of the extension later today.
So much for current test and trace effectiveness. Japan and the USA are rushing vaccines to Taiwan because AIUI the CCP is trying to prevent vaccines from countries more under CCP influence from reaching Taiwan.
Lootman wrote:
Yes, the much-vaunted "Taiwan Solution" turned out to be more like the "Taiwan Great Deferral".
9873210 wrote: 45 thousand deaths or 260 deaths? Perhaps people are having trouble telling which is larger. Bless their hearts.
Nimrod103 wrote:I am not saying that the Taiwanese test and trace has not been much more effective than the British version, just that it has been insufficiently effective to banish Covid without vaccination, which is basically the same situation as the UK.
However, the Taiwan authorities have a much more thorough knowledge of where their people are, and what they are doing. AIUI (and maybe somebody can confirm or correct me) the Taiwanese tracers have detailed phone records, bank card transaction data, and total surveillance. The UK Govt opted not to keep this level of data on people, so in Britain everything depends on people's honesty, and it has been shown that British people are just not very honest. Survey data last summer showed that only 20% of infected people and their contacts actually isolated themselves.
servodude wrote:Which gives you the same problem as India has, basically isolate or eat; that doesn't make it a question of honesty
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