redsturgeon wrote:Today my daughter gets news that her friend had got symptoms a couple of days ago and has now tested positive again.
We do know that the testing process is not that reliable.
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redsturgeon wrote:Today my daughter gets news that her friend had got symptoms a couple of days ago and has now tested positive again.
johnhemming wrote:swill453 wrote:
Not sure I follow that. Are you saying people dying from the disease now could have caught it in the summer and not died if we hadn't had a lockdown?
A mixture of two things
a) If a lot of people catch it who are asymptomatic and get resistance then it would spread less readily in the winter.
b) Those that catch it with a lower viral load (summer) don't suffer as bad an infection, but do get resistance.
Itsallaguess wrote:So I don't think it's as simple as taking the view that a broader 'summer' infection rate might have built up wider immunity levels to now help prevent further 'winter' infections
johnhemming wrote:Itsallaguess wrote:
So I don't think it's as simple as taking the view that a broader 'summer' infection rate might have built up wider immunity levels to now help prevent further 'winter' infections
We do have control experiments such as Sweden, Lativa and Belarus which are low intervention countries where we will be able to see after the end of the coronavirus season whether they have done better in terms of deaths from Covid than the high intervention countries (in the Northern Hemisphere).
redsturgeon wrote:That's just about the most blatant case of "whataboutism" I've seen for a long time.
Bouleversee wrote: Only an idiot goes out if a hurricane is forecast
Lootman wrote:Forecasts are just that - the opinion and prediction of some expert. How we respond to that dictates our measure of paranoia or complacency.
NeilW wrote:redsturgeon wrote:That's just about the most blatant case of "whataboutism" I've seen for a long time.
And the "Tell that to" trick isn't?
People die John. It's the way of the world. All deaths are sad, but none of the deaths over the last few weeks have been excessive for the time of year.
NeilW wrote:Therefore pulling out some people because they happen to have something on their death certificate doesn't tell us anything about the aggregate. It's just emotional manipulation.
XFool wrote:[
But whereas some of the things on some people's death certificates are indeed normal for "the time of year", some of the things on other people's death certificates are not normal for "the time of year"
NeilW wrote:
Death from pneumonia caused by respiratory virus is normal for the time of year. The hospital occupancy is normal for the time of year. The number of deaths is normal for the time of year.
Euromomo is recording no excess on their z-scores across the whole of the British isles at present.
You tell me where the issue is here.
NeilW wrote:XFool wrote:[
But whereas some of the things on some people's death certificates are indeed normal for "the time of year", some of the things on other people's death certificates are not normal for "the time of year"
Death from pneumonia caused by respiratory virus is normal for the time of year. The hospital occupancy is normal for the time of year. The number of deaths is normal for the time of year.
Euromomo is recording no excess on their z-scores across the whole of the British isles at present.
NeilW wrote:You tell me where the issue is here.
NeilW wrote:Bouleversee wrote: Only an idiot goes out if a hurricane is forecast
I've forecast a hurricane. Presumably then you won't be going out.
I'll be correct of course because the behaviour alterations ensures it won't happen, and if it happens then of course you will be safe by the behaviour change.
Win/Win all round.
Bouleversee wrote:If you were a professional weather forecaster
Itsallaguess wrote:That shows that the current protocols are working as they're meant to be..
NeilW wrote:Bouleversee wrote:If you were a professional weather forecaster
How do you know they are? Because they have credentials you believe in that you have never checked? That's just a different form of priesthood then.
Bouleversee wrote:(or whatever those people who don't accept the truth are called)
NeilW wrote:Euromomo is recording no excess on their z-scores across the whole of the British isles at present.
NeilW wrote:Itsallaguess wrote:
That shows that the current protocols are working as they're meant to be..
But in Sweden they are doing even better with no such protocols. So logically it can't be that can it.
Correlation and causation again.
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