Bouleversee wrote:ElectronicFur wrote:My post was merely for pje16 to show there are already patients who've had the 4th jab.
I didn't need to know why they were in ICU as I was fact-checking the fact the newspaper stated the ICU was full of unvaccinated patients. And that claim turned out to be misleading to say the least.
I'd also expect them to be triple jabbed. More so if they are in for heart operations due to myocarditis... Unfortunately local 17 year old's just been told by the doctors he needs a heart transplant due to vaccine damage.
Is it known yet why the vaccine can cause myocarditis, albeit in rare cases, and is it more in young people or at any age?
Sorry, I don't know the answer to the age-related question.
Re the cause question this is something that I've been wondering about for quite a while now and do some searching every couple of months or so to see if there are any well-supported theories. I tried quite hard to find an answer again last night but came up with virtually nothing. I only found one paper (https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161 ... 121.056135) that even touched on possible mechanisms of action (i.e. cause) for the myocarditis side effect. The paper I just linked to has a section specifically entitled "Potential Mechanisms of COVID-19 Vaccine Myocarditis" but it's really technical so I got very little out of it beyond the impression that there are various theories but no clear idea which of those, if any or maybe multiple of them, are actually what's going on.
Over the last many months I have also tried to find out if the cause of the extremely rare blood clots after AstraZeneca (and J&J to a lesser extent) vaccinations had been found. There my research has been more fruitful and I have seen a few theories with entire papers dedicated to them. The AZ/clotting research went through the same phase as the mRNA(*)/myocarditis research seems to be at at the moment, i.e. a number of theories being evaluated in parallel. In July last year however a couple of AZ scientists did co-author a paper on one particular theory (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abl8213) which makes me think that AZ might be converging on that as the most likely explanation.
As far as I can tell the situation with mRNA/Myocarditis hasn't got beyond the there-are-lots-of-theories stage yet. If anyone has any info to the contrary I would love to hear about it because maybe I've missed something. It does seem very hard to search for technical details because as soon as you put in any search term that includes both Pfizer and myocarditis, even if you also include various technical phrases to try and tease out results that might be for papers actually discussing mechanisms of action, the first few pages of search results still get swamped with articles and papers simply demonstrating how relatively rare these side effect are.
- Julian
(*) mRNA includes both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines since both of those are based on mRNA technology.