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How is CSH2 taxed?
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- Lemon Slice
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How is CSH2 taxed?
I have read on another board about the Lyxor money market fund CSH2. This is seen as a good place to park cash in a stocks and shares ISA if your broker pays next to no interest on cash. But if you hold CSH2 outside of an ISA, how would it be taxed, please?
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Re: How is CSH2 taxed?
cinelli wrote:But if you hold CSH2 outside of an ISA, how would it be taxed, please?
Money market funds are usually taxed as interest. It can depend on their exact structure and domicile whether the taxation is on a yearly basis or whether if in accumulation form they are taxed on disposal.
This discussion may give some insight.
https://community.hmrc.gov.uk/customerf ... 2248c8750a
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Re: How is CSH2 taxed?
Thanks, Alaric, for a very useful link. I wasn't aware that the HMRC had discussion boards. But in this particular case, experts seem to offer different views:
HMRC Admin 20 says
"You will only pay the tax when you sell them ..."
whereas HMRC Admin 19 says
"This means that you are taxed each year on the amount reinvested in the same way ..."
But that is by the by. I had hoped CSH2 would be taxed as a capital gain ...
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HMRC Admin 20 says
"You will only pay the tax when you sell them ..."
whereas HMRC Admin 19 says
"This means that you are taxed each year on the amount reinvested in the same way ..."
But that is by the by. I had hoped CSH2 would be taxed as a capital gain ...
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Re: How is CSH2 taxed?
cinelli wrote:But that is by the by. I had hoped CSH2 would be taxed as a capital gain ...
Perhaps this is only applicable to funds investing in bonds and loans, but an IT structure may be able to be taxed as an equity in the hands of the holder. That required listing in the Channel Isles where the definitions were a little less stringent.
Whether it's advantageous to be taxed as capital gain or interest has changed over the years with shifts in tax rates and policy, but HMRC usually seek to rule out such arbitrage when they have the chance to frame rules.
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Re: How is CSH2 taxed?
I've parked some cash in this ETF, and it's gaining over £2k/month. Since it's an ETF I will treat it as a capital gain upon disposal. After all, if gilts collapsed, the ETF would also fall. That's not interest.
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Re: How is CSH2 taxed?
rhys wrote:I Since it's an ETF I will treat it as a capital gain upon disposal. After all, if gilts collapsed, the ETF would also fall. That's not interest.
It's not totally your decision as HMRC would likely have a view. They would probably want a split of proceeds into return of capital, either at a profit or a loss, and accumulated interest.
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Re: How is CSH2 taxed?
It is taxed as interest. The interest shows up as Excess Reportable Income:
https://monevator.com/excess-reportable-income/
You may be able to find the Excess Reportable Income for CSH2 here:
https://www.kpmgreportingfunds.co.uk/
Otherwise, contact the fund manager.
https://monevator.com/excess-reportable-income/
You may be able to find the Excess Reportable Income for CSH2 here:
https://www.kpmgreportingfunds.co.uk/
Otherwise, contact the fund manager.
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Re: How is CSH2 taxed?
I have had another thought about CSH2. Suppose you were to spread bet them. CSH2 is quoted by IG Index as follows:
March 24 sell 111384 buy 111413 spread 29
June 24 sel 112962 buy 112991 spread 29
Sep sell 114540 buy 114569 spread 29
These quarterly prices do not incur any overnight fees. I don't really believe these quotes as usually the spread increases the further away is the expiry. But they amount to total costs of only 0.03%.
Usually gains from spread bets are tax free. Would this be true too for CSH2?
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March 24 sell 111384 buy 111413 spread 29
June 24 sel 112962 buy 112991 spread 29
Sep sell 114540 buy 114569 spread 29
These quarterly prices do not incur any overnight fees. I don't really believe these quotes as usually the spread increases the further away is the expiry. But they amount to total costs of only 0.03%.
Usually gains from spread bets are tax free. Would this be true too for CSH2?
Cinelli
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Re: How is CSH2 taxed?
Doesn't it track ESTR rather than SONIA (which is higher last time I looked)?
There may be a exchange rate gain/loss involved also
There may be a exchange rate gain/loss involved also
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Re: How is CSH2 taxed?
Further to my idea of spread betting CSH2, I now realise why this wouldn't work. The buy prices of monthly bets are now
March 111357
June 112943
September 114530
These prices have gone down in five weeks. That this would happen is, perhaps, obvious to more experienced spread betters.
Cinelli
March 111357
June 112943
September 114530
These prices have gone down in five weeks. That this would happen is, perhaps, obvious to more experienced spread betters.
Cinelli
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