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Radio 2.

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Postby AleisterCrowley » May 14th, 2018, 8:10 pm

Well, looks like the Monday night blues show has moved to 8pm, so I had the joy of Simon Mayo and Jo Whiley-Coyote's new show.
Spent a happy 20 minutes in the bath swearing at the radio, very cathartic.

SHUT UP! SHUT UP!!

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby csearle » May 14th, 2018, 8:19 pm

AleisterCrowley wrote:...
The rec was for your groom of the pan link over on LL but I can't rec you (directly) there. C.

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby AleisterCrowley » May 14th, 2018, 8:26 pm

Ah, Groom of the Stool, or Keeper of the King's Thunderbox
Presumably a role created by Richard the Third

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby UncleEbenezer » May 15th, 2018, 10:38 am

My mother got a radio when I was aged about 13. After a year or so of radio 2 I decided I'd heard enough vacuous drivel for one lifetime, and have since always done my best to avoid it.

To her credit, my mother got bored too, and moved to real music (with an intermediate spell in the halfway-house of Classic FM). But the BBC's Monument to Mindlessness lives on.

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby AleisterCrowley » May 15th, 2018, 1:43 pm

I moved to Radio 2 from Radio 1 as 'my sort of music' seemed to move that way- mainly listened to Radcliffe & Maconie evening show, sadly moved to R6
When I accidentally listen to Radio 1 it sounds total alien, like a bunch of people shouting and kicking a dustbin down the stairs

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby Watis » May 15th, 2018, 2:17 pm

I, too, listen to Radio 2 during my commutes and have been looking forward to the changes.

I don't want to hear blues or folk music after 7pm

I especially don't want half-hour biographies of musicians I've never heard of, who played in bands I've barely heard of. What was that all about?

I don't need book reviews, nor the sycophantic interviews with their authors.

I'm glad they have kept the confessions, even though it now has a different time slot.

Watis

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby AleisterCrowley » May 15th, 2018, 7:10 pm

I like (some) blues and folk. I also like punk, indie, industrial metal, and spacerock. I don't like jazz though...

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby TUK020 » May 16th, 2018, 7:30 am

I have 6 preset buttons on the car radio. 2 are regional, BBC Surrey & Solent (long commute). The remainder are Radio 2,3,4 & Classic FM.
The default start is Radio 4, as the 'least drivelly'.
When I get to a bit that annoys me greatly, then I switch channels. The trigger is usually Football drivel, Royal Family/Wedding drivel, God/Religion drivel (particularly Turnips for the Day). I also have relatively low tolerance for some economic illiterate banging on about "taKing back conTROL", dynamiting our trade relations, thus enabling that intellectual titan, Liam Fox, to go sign a comprehensive trade agreement with Burundi, thereby ensuring our future prosperity for decades to come.
I then usually cycle through the other stations until Football/Wedding etc drive me on.
Radio 3 is a strange one - I tend to either stick there, or move on immediately, depending on how inaccessible the music is.
Classic FM is usually fine until you get an extended ad break extolling the virtues of SAGA cruises/dentures/incontinence pads.
Once I have worked my way down to R2, I am usually resigned to cope with the vacuous intellectual content.

Just re-read my post. There, I feel better now for that rant! Nice button push, OP

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby AleisterCrowley » May 17th, 2018, 9:32 am

I did try my local station, BBC Berkshire, but gave up on it...
Roger Day's show was quite good though

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby JMN2 » May 17th, 2018, 7:05 pm

AleisterCrowley wrote:... I don't like jazz though...


Not a jazzer!? :shock: :o

start throwing in some adult ie jazz chords in, then get this and let us get your education on the way!

https://youtu.be/Dp_H9FYZy4E

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby bungeejumper » May 17th, 2018, 9:02 pm

JMN2 wrote:Not a jazzer!? :shock: :o

start throwing in some adult ie jazz chords in, then get this and let us get your education on the way!

https://youtu.be/Dp_H9FYZy4E

Oh, doesn't he make that look easy?

Plant the underlying tune in your brain, know the chromatic rules like they've been inside you since you first learned to walk, and then break all the rules of key and rhythm in a hundred different ways. There's not much call for three-chord melodies in jazz. And no time for prannocking around the stage like a mighty rock god.

What you want instead is thorough musicianship, and about 200 chords of course. (Gotta know your thirteenth flattened ninth, or you'll never get anywhere.) And then you mess it all around and make it sound dirty. Proper grown-up stuff. :D

I'd never really listened to jazz until I was in the sixth form at school. More interested in Zappa and Clapton. But this very accessible compilation blew me completely away. https://www.discogs.com/Various-155-And ... se/1689941 . Never looked back.

BJ

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby AleisterCrowley » May 17th, 2018, 10:59 pm

To quote Mark Radcliffe;
Just as a group of downhill slalom Olympic skiers utilise all their dexterity at high speed to avoid any obstacle, so a group of jazzers often utilise all their dexterity at high speed to avoid any tune

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby TUK020 » May 18th, 2018, 7:34 am

JMN2 wrote:
AleisterCrowley wrote:... I don't like jazz though...


Not a jazzer!? :shock: :o

start throwing in some adult ie jazz chords in, then get this and let us get your education on the way!

https://youtu.be/Dp_H9FYZy4E


Liked that.

Not sure how you would categorise this, or even what you would call the instrument:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6_HlOqy2C0
'Feel Good Inc' by Luca Stricagnoli

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby bungeejumper » May 18th, 2018, 9:22 am

AleisterCrowley wrote:To quote Mark Radcliffe;
Just as a group of downhill slalom Olympic skiers utilise all their dexterity at high speed to avoid any obstacle, so a group of jazzers often utilise all their dexterity at high speed to avoid any tune

LOL, he's tone deaf then. Your jazz musician always has the proper tune running in the back of his brain while he's improvising with the front part. If he ever wandered out of key with the true tune for more than a few moments, you'd notice it in an instant. :)

Jazz shares a few characteristics with those of a proper GOF. It rejoices in its deliberately deviant nature, and you have to be born a little bit 'cussed' to make it work. And it doesn't work at all (present company excepted, natch) if you don't have intelligence and a well-developed sense of humour and irony. I don't reckon Trump listens to much jazz. ;)

BJ

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby AleisterCrowley » May 18th, 2018, 9:36 am

LOL, he's tone deaf then. Your jazz musician always has the proper tune running in the back of his brain
Unfortunately (?) most of us can't hear what's going on in a jazz musicians brain....

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby bungeejumper » May 18th, 2018, 9:49 am

TUK020 wrote:
JMN2 wrote:Not sure how you would categorise this, or even what you would call the instrument:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6_HlOqy2C0
'Feel Good Inc' by Luca Stricagnoli

Maybe this'll help, maybe it won't: http://www.serracini.it/en/triple-neck-guitar/

Still doesn't explain how it works, though. You need to pluck those strings somehow, as well as holding them down on the fingerboard, and he ain't doing that. (Okay, you can slap-bass a bass guitar with just your left hand, but that wouldn't explain how the 'ringing' middle set of strings operates.) The only thing I can think is that he's got some kind of an electronic pulse going through the strings. OK for a raga-style tune that goes on and on, but it must get a bit limited eventually?

Fun link, though. Thanks!

BJ

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby bungeejumper » May 18th, 2018, 9:58 am

AleisterCrowley wrote:Unfortunately (?) most of us can't hear what's going on in a jazz musicians brain....

I refuse to give up hope, AC. You're a guitarist - so what do you do when you're improvising the blues? It's the same with jazz, but without the familiar twelve bar crutch. And in different keys, which is where it gets more technical.

(Aaah, the twelve bar crutch. It's what happens when you really should have stopped drinking after the ninth pint.) ;)

BJ

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby AleisterCrowley » May 18th, 2018, 10:36 am

Ah, you see, my problem is this view that jazz is the ultimate expression of music, rather than just being another genre

You hear stuff like;
'well, he's a pretty good rock drummer, obviously not as good as a jazz drummer of course'
"You're into music, have you progressed to jazz yet"

I obviously don't dislike ALL jazz, which would be daft, but a random hour of jazz is probably near the bottom of my toleration list, possibly just above commercial pop/rap/grime(wtf?)/show tunes

I have tried - Jamie Cullum is a nice chap, and I listen to his show occasionally but it still hasn't got me into the genre, as I only like about one in ten tracks. Some of them have been painful on the ears..

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby bungeejumper » May 18th, 2018, 11:22 am

AleisterCrowley wrote:Ah, you see, my problem is this view that jazz is the ultimate expression of music, rather than just being another genre

You hear stuff like;
'well, he's a pretty good rock drummer, obviously not as good as a jazz drummer of course'
"You're into music, have you progressed to jazz yet".

Aha, yes, I get that bit. Some of us jazzies do have a bit of a better-than-thou habit - which strongly mirrors the way that aficionados of the Beethoven string quartets insist that the quartets are the true expression of Mr B's mathematical purity, and that the Ninth Symphony was just a pop song really.

Just ignore the idiots and employ your senses rather than somebody else's intellectual pretensions. Much/most of the jazz world has been pretty good for the last thirty or forty years - although there was some awfully pretentious "free form" jazz going on in the days when drugged-up beatniks in berets could be justifiably lampooned. (And some more rubbish during the "fusion jazz" era of the early seventies, though not all of it was bad.) I can't stand 'wild man' Charles Mingus now, and I also don't understand John Coltrane's later work, which sounds like four horns blowing randomly in a hurricane. :lol:

Jamie Cullum? Fine voice, fine piano, but for me he's still in the smooth Frank Sinatra groove, which turns me right off. Haven't heard much of him lately, admittedly. Try a bit of Thelonious Monk (very oddball, deliberately wonky 1960s piano), or Charlie Parker, the bebop master of the late 1940s. Who couldn't do anything without heroin, but who still had the whole magnificent musical range running through every vein in his body. There are hundreds of great modern jazzists, but I tend to specialise in the older ones. Spent my formative years in Ronnie Scott's, you see? Listening to various Rolling Stones and Zeppelins jamming with the jazz greats, not something you hear so much about these days.

And if it still doesn't work, and you've tried prayer and prunes and flagellation and self-mortification, don't worry about not understanding jazz. It isn't for everybody. Just do what you enjoy. Peace. :D

BJ

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Re: Radio 2.

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Postby kiloran » May 18th, 2018, 11:30 am

AleisterCrowley wrote:LOL, he's tone deaf then. Your jazz musician always has the proper tune running in the back of his brain
Unfortunately (?) most of us can't hear what's going on in a jazz musicians brain....

As Eric Morecambe said.... "I'm playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order". Good definition of jazz, I would think.

--kiloran


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