Nimrod103 wrote:Charlottesquare wrote:beeswax wrote:
It was certainly NOT victory for 'Europe' in 1945, because without the British and American forces, there would not have been a victory in Europe.
Depends if you consider Russia and the Soviet union Europe, not sure the Americans and ourselves (with the Commonwealth and Empire) would have fared that well on D Day if the Soviets had not been tying down a large portion of the Axis troops.
Without our material assistance, provided via the Arctic convoys, the Soviet Union would not have been able to wage war against the Germans. In fact given the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939, the Soviet contribution to causing WW2 is quite clear. It is also sobering to think how little the Nazi occupied countries actually did to gain their own freedom, being dependent on US/UK/Soviet invasion. Even the French Resistance were not much help to us (according to Lindybeige).
US support transported by the UK is more precise re the Arctic Convoys. And frankly Stalin did not really have much choice re the 1939 pact given the state of readiness for war of the Soviet Union at that time, it was quite unprepared for war in 1939 and frankly only slightly better prepared in 1941.
Also circa 50% of all goods appear to have gone to the Soviet Union on the Pacific route on Soviet ships, circa 23% of the aid supplied was via the Arctic route per wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_co ... ar_II#1941
Lindybeige is hardly a historian, albeit I have not watched his broadcasts,whilst I am sure allied supplies made a significant impact I somewhat suspect Stalin's shifting factories east was more significant. Certainly by number count of casualties I would be hard pressed to argue WW2 as a UK/USA victory.