Itsallaguess wrote: Lanark wrote:
The elephant in the room with Brexit is immigration.
Most voters don't really care about NI or the customs arrangements or the single market, the people who voted for Brexit were primarily voting for lower immigration.
Now since 2016 both Labour
and the Conservatives
have announced they will increase
immigration post brexit.
Theres a lot of bleating "Oh we couldnt possibly have a second referendum that wouldnt be upholding result of the first one, what about democracy
" well as both the major parties have already turned their back on lowering immigration, I really don't see the difference.
If we are going to have higher immigration anyway we may as well stay in the EU and keep all the other benefits.
No mention at all of the word 'uncontrolled
' anywhere in that lot that I can see, other than within the links you've provided to the Labour and Conservative articles, which both
parties seem to be wanting to address, to give much more prominence to skilled immigration
, rather than the 'uncontrolled
' immigration that the UK is currently exposed to...
Your complete lack of recognition that, where immigration was
an issue with Brexit voters, it was predominantly regarding uncontrolled
immigration, speaks volumes, I think...
I won't speak for you because clearly you know your own motivation better than me, but the idea that Brexit voters in general were just against the concept of uncontrolled immigration than the actual presence of immigrants is (in my opinion obviously) just revisionism.
Let me quote one Brexiteer on these boards - " I voted Brexit because i'd prefer to live in a Country where we don't need to pander to others because we are somehow racist, whenever we speak up about immigration. I'd prefer to have neighbours that talk to me because they want to, not because they feel embarrassed when I initiate a conversation on the stairs. I voted Brexit because it was easy, for me, to get into the schools that I wanted to when I was young, because I was bright. Good luck with that now. I voted Brexit because when I go for lunch, I pass more people speaking in a foreign language than I do English.
Plenty of other comments during the referendum about scrounging foreigners, people coming just for benefits, Big Issue sellers, immigrants causing housing shortages, shortages of school places, congestion, immigrants making it difficult to get a doctors appointment, suppressing wages, taking jobs That's not about the potential
impact of uncontrolled immigration, it's about the perception of actual
immigration. It's a perception some on the Leave side were only too happy to play up to.
I can understand why a reasonable Brexit voter (which I presume you are) might be embarrassed about these sort of views, held by a significant number of people supporting their cause, but held they were...