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Should Islam, Christianity and Judaism unite?

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Re: Should Islam, Christianity and Judaism unite?

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Postby RowdyReptile » May 10th, 2017, 12:24 am

You people need to chill. So I offer another brief musical interlude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GtwNJf3EK4

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Re: Should Islam, Christianity and Judaism unite?

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Postby beeswax » May 10th, 2017, 12:26 am

Halicarnassus wrote:
DiamondEcho wrote:
As as you say Beeswax, it's for such suggested beliefs, requirements like those, that I have no interest in observing my own religion.


So... you think that Free Will is a requirement that is a bridge too far? :lol: Well ok then. You can opt for the other thesis: we are wholly determined in what we think and do. Try fitting that theory into real life. Rape, Murder, Robbery, Genecide...all non mea culpa

The fact is, uncomfortable though it may be to be faced with, is that turning away from God is a manifest act of Pride in Selfishness. Religious duty is just too hard for most people in this world. I pray they wake up before they meet their sentence.


They just can't see it can they!

Their God seems to want to send non believers and believers of other faiths to eternal hell for doing nothing wrong other than NOT believing in Jesus as God and thought crime. The act of 'pride' is reserved for those that think as they do surely? Its why they believe in a false God. Its not MY idea of a loving and just God anyhow.

The second very obvious point is that most people are not Christians and don't need 'religion' to live out their lives and what is difficult about religious 'duty' anyhow. To me its not difficult at all. Its actually easier to believe than not to believe in fairy tales and all the ritualistic nonsense that religion embraces as part of its 'belief' system.

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Re: Should Islam, Christianity and Judaism unite?

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Postby RowdyReptile » May 10th, 2017, 12:41 am

beeswax wrote: They just can't see it can they!


Say What?

beeswax wrote:Their God seems to want to send non believers and believers of other faiths to eternal hell for doing nothing wrong other than NOT believing in Jesus as God and thought crime. The act of 'pride' is reserved for those that think as they do surely? Its why they believe in a false God. Its not MY idea of a loving and just God anyhow.


Horse dung. All that have walked the Earth will be resurrected and judged according to their works, as the script says. If there is a hell for those that kept their first estate, it will be a personal one. You say we do not answer your questions, but I try. You may not like the responses, but I am trying here.

beeswax wrote:The second very obvious point is that most people are not Christians and don't need 'religion' to live out their lives and what is difficult about religious 'duty' anyhow. To me its not difficult at all. Its actually easier to believe than not to believe in fairy tales and all the ritualistic nonsense that religion embraces as part of its 'belief' system.


I allow, as a believer, for those that have no use for religion. You, however, seem to have a major bee in your bonnet about those that do, and even those that separate their faith from the secular world. You have offered some personal experience that makes it understandable you are highly dubious of organized religion, but, brother....don't judge us all on the actions of a few. In fact, don't judge us at all, as I do not judge you.

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Re: Should Islam, Christianity and Judaism unite?

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Postby RowdyReptile » May 10th, 2017, 12:51 am

Another brief musical interlude....once upon a time, in a land that had so called religious freedom, a certain sect arose, and from the start was hated by all. In time, they had their churches and temples burned to the ground, their homes destroyed, and was once called, in this land of religious freedom mind you, the common enemy of all mankind.

Over time though, they prevailed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2arm5ydeJc

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Postby RowdyReptile » May 10th, 2017, 1:20 am

You know what makes me angry here is that we are batting our keyboards at each other, and nobody really listens.

So, here is another song, from my home state and basically sums me up...sort of.

I hear the music of the Florida redneck.....:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkPlxZ7azJ4

I am a person of faith, but truly, I am not that dangerous.

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Re: Should Islam, Christianity and Judaism unite?

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Postby beeswax » May 10th, 2017, 1:24 am

Hi RR,

You said the 'script' says that all will be judged etc..

I'm saying your 'script' is not true and so how are you to convince others on that point?

To me its plain silly to say we shouldn't 'judge' others. Of course we should and tell em where they are going wrong.

Heaven and hell are man made and just to add from personal experience again, people go through 'hell' in this life and so it really makes no difference to them even if there was one and so God punishes the innocent in this life as well as the next? Can you at least not see how crass and pathetic that is as a belief system?

My bee as you call is the fact that organised religion is not true, its been a cruel and still is and children should not be taught falsehoods like heaven and hell and eternal punishment. Religion is clearly designed to control us and even has a boogie man for those that step out of line. I say again, that homosexuals are being killed today all because of religious text. IF any religious person believes in evolution as they must do. That rules out completely God creating Adam and Eve as we are now and there was no fall and therefore no need of a redemptive act to appease God...

The Rabbi once told a Christian who tried to convert him that how could a loving compassionate God send 6 million Jews who experienced hell in the holocaust and send these same men, women and children to another hell, not just for a lifetime but for all eternity?

You see my friend, none of this is reasonable, nor logical and certainly not loving nor just and why it cannot be true and its time it was stopped being peddled as some kind of revelation from God...Are you prepared to accept its nonsense?

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Re: Should Islam, Christianity and Judaism unite?

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Postby beeswax » May 10th, 2017, 1:33 am

RowdyReptile wrote:You know what makes me angry here is that we are batting our keyboards at each other, and nobody really listens.

So, here is another song, from my home state and basically sums me up...sort of.

I hear the music of the Florida redneck.....:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkPlxZ7azJ4

I am a person of faith, but truly, I am not that dangerous.

RR


Its true, whatever we say is irrelevant to all those that believe what they do...It makes no difference at all. My hope is that children will be taught what is true and what is false and that is a noble thing is it not and particularly as it discriminates against some of them? I'm not angry, I am glad that I am prepared to meet MY God with the knowledge I have now and to try and convince others that IF he exists at all, he is not the one that is depicted in scripture.

Faith is indeed a belief in things unknown and unseen but we don't need scripture OR faith to know what is true and what is false. We have come of age compared with biblical times and we should embrace truth when we see it...

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Re: Should Islam, Christianity and Judaism unite?

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Postby RowdyReptile » May 10th, 2017, 1:49 am

beeswax wrote:Hi RR,

You said the 'script' says that all will be judged etc..

I'm saying your 'script' is not true and so how are you to convince others on that point?


You proceed from a false assumption. I am not trying to convince you of anything.

I do concede that whatever you have been taught about religion is a jaundiced, one-eyed, stove piped version. I will concede that.

beeswax wrote:The Rabbi once told a Christian who tried to convert him that how could a loving compassionate God send 6 million Jews who experienced hell in the holocaust and send these same men, women and children to another hell, not just for a lifetime but for all eternity?


God did not create the holocaust. Humans did. As far as the eternal destiny of those people, it is not ours to say. This Rabbi talked to the wrong Christian I imagine.

beeswax wrote:You see my friend, none of this is reasonable, nor logical and certainly not loving nor just and why it cannot be true and its time it was stopped being peddled as some kind of revelation from God...Are you prepared to accept its nonsense?


I AM prepared to perhaps say it is nonsense. Are you prepared to say it perhaps isn't? I will meet you half way, but I need to see you moving in my direction before I compromise.

Let me go further down the hypothetical road, and say, "Yes, beeswax, it is all crap. Now what?" What other parts of my political opinions do you find dangerous and need for me to be reprogrammed?

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Re: Should Islam, Christianity and Judaism unite?

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Postby RowdyReptile » May 10th, 2017, 2:08 am

beeswax wrote: Faith is indeed a belief in things unknown and unseen but we don't need scripture OR faith to know what is true and what is false. We have come of age compared with biblical times and we should embrace truth when we see it...


We have become quite "learned" as a species. In our DNA is curiosity and questioning. Nothing wrong with that. Let us not make an adversary of someone who would be a friend, fighting over a road that is easily circumnavigated.

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Re: Should Islam, Christianity and Judaism unite?

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Postby RowdyReptile » May 10th, 2017, 5:50 am

Now, you might not like the music, but how can a bunch of brain dead christian idiots make this kind of sound, and manipulate classical instruments?

It has to be some kind of ...Disney thing I guess.....obviously they don't mean it, and are basically brain dead and are under some kind of mind control that only the secular can figure out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aei1ELCnlGY

So, I am hoping the athiest/agnostic can help these poor souls and deliver them from their depth of stupidity and lack of intelligence and ability.

Help them, grand athiests!

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Re: Should Islam, Christianity and Judaism unite?

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Postby RowdyReptile » May 10th, 2017, 6:03 am

One of my favorites is when the MOTAB does a primary song.

It is one the children sing, right. But, it is so simple and straight forward, adults should try it sometime. Kind of korny, but....apparently it has the virtue of having never been tried on a global scale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dADRjUKnpDI

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